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post #121 of 262
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Originally Posted by soulman978
The difference here is that those indiscretions are not brought onto the field of play. You don't see basketball or football superstars show up to play drunk or hungover.

Let's take a for instance here......... Say for instance Bode would have crashed and been injured in that race, come to find out that he has alcohol in his system..... Not good for ski racing, let alone American ski racing!

If Bode wanted to celebrate his WC title by getting drunk, he should have waited until after the next competition. Then he could have gotten smashed out of his mind and nobody would have cared.

just my .02
Thank you, a voice of reason!
post #122 of 262
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Originally Posted by migibs
Every post has been a bunch of non sense. I watched the interview and Bode seems to be gettin sh!# not only from the Bears, but others in the US Ski establshiment. He trains in a red barn on his farm performing plyometric high hurdle jumps that I bet no one in this forum could do, I already no I can't. As well as 300 pound squats on some crazy contraption. The 3 dopes they interviewed that are US Ski Team managers seem to be the ones with the chips on their shoulders since Bode isn't conforming to what is "right".

As far as the drinking, who the hell cares!! He got loaded after being the first US skier to win the World Cup in over 20 years. More power too him. Big F'in deal he show's up hungover or with the alcohol in his system. He already had it wrapped up. Then Ed asks him "Would you show up drunk for a race again?" Bode replies "I wouldn't say that" To me he's saying it was done because of the situation. Does he show up drunk or hungover to races? NO! Does he reserve the right to do in the future? (i.e. after another world cup victory? Gold Medal?) Yes! Do I have a problem with that? No! Why?

Because he's a dude that happens to be the best ski racer in the world. Don't invoke this role model crap. He's not a role model. No more than any other athelete should be. Our society puts atheletes on pedestals just so they may be knocked down. The only role model a kid should have is parent, other family member, teacher etc...The people that do the important work in our world. The only thing the kids should be emulating of these atheletes is their form in how they perform their given craft. So go out and be the role model you should be and don't rely on someone else to do it for them.
BULL!!!!!

But your entitled to your opinion!
post #123 of 262
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Originally Posted by migibs
He trains in a red barn on his farm performing plyometric high hurdle jumps that I bet no one in this forum could do, I already no I can't. As well as 300 pound squats on some crazy contraption.
What does that have to do with anything we are talking about???



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Originally Posted by migibs
As far as the drinking, who the hell cares!! He got loaded after being the first US skier to win the World Cup in over 20 years. More power too him. Big F'in deal he show's up hungover or with the alcohol in his system. He already had it wrapped up.
This type of attitude is the problem. I think it's great that US skiers are enjoying some prominence in WC racing, however, the athletes need to remember that whether they want to or not they represent the United States and the US Ski team. While I don't disagree that celebration was in order, if Bode knew he had to race again the next day perhaps he should have celebrated in moderation that night and then went on a banger the next day when he didn't need to compete after a night of drinking.

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Originally Posted by migibs
Because he's a dude that happens to be the best ski racer in the world. Don't invoke this role model crap. He's not a role model. No more than any other athelete should be. Our society puts atheletes on pedestals just so they may be knocked down. The only role model a kid should have is parent, other family member, teacher etc...The people that do the important work in our world. The only thing the kids should be emulating of these atheletes is their form in how they perform their given craft. So go out and be the role model you should be and don't rely on someone else to do it for them.
It's not so much that he "needs to be a role model" as much as it is he needs to be a good "representative" of the United States and the US ski Team. Maybe it's just me, but I don't want the US to be portrayed like this in international competition. We already have enough problems abroad with our image thanks to our president, but that's another conversation. Bottom line is whether Bode likes it or not, there is a lot of responsibility that comes with fame and celebrity.

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post #124 of 262
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Originally Posted by soulman978
What does that have to do with anything we are talking about???





This type of attitude is the problem. I think it's great that US skiers are enjoying some prominence in WC racing, however, the athletes need to remember that whether they want to or not they represent the United States and the US Ski team. While I don't disagree that celebration was in order, if Bode knew he had to race again the next day perhaps he should have celebrated in moderation that night and then went on a banger the next day when he didn't need to compete after a night of drinking.



It's not so much that he "needs to be a role model" as much as it is he needs to be a good "representative" of the United States and the US ski Team. Maybe it's just me, but I don't want the US to be portrayed like this in international competition. We already have enough problems abroad with our image thanks to our president, but that's another conversation. Bottom line is whether Bode likes it or not, there is a lot of responsibility that comes with fame and celebrity.

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Soulman, well said!
post #125 of 262
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Originally Posted by spindrift
You sure picked poor examples. You can't be serious holding these guys up as role models????? Go Kobe! Yeah! (just one little example)

Give me Bode any day! And give me honesty any day. Seriously.
Spin,

Those were not my examples, rather I was replying to a post where other sports were mentioned, in particular the original poster mentioned football, basketball, and baseball.

Also, as I mentioned before, these lapses in judgement by athletes in other sports occur off the field of play.

Whatever Bode wants to do on his own time more power to him, but when he brings that onto the field of play it is wrong. Just because the FIS doesn't have a rule about skiing drunk or hungover doesn't make it right.
post #126 of 262

Do you posting and reading this really think that the guy

actually raced drunk...(or very often drunk...)
You are missing the point- in the context of his anti-anti-doping and saying screw you to the politicos of the FIS and their failure to put sport and sportsmanship first ( Didier Cuche and the extra milimeter ).
Case in point:NHL... HOckey and the test of 700 or so players for doping ( voluntary, unmarked samples ) and finding only five or seven positives ( or was that also NO STEROIDS ???- I will try to find the study)- including pot and coke...We could say the group was clean and put to rest doping in hockey.
I think Bodi's pointis :Give adults the right to make informed decisions, to look after themselves, to put sport first and politics last...
To try to tell this to a dumbed down audience...atomicman needs to relax and read a little HST...the accessories are NOT the point. Do not confuse a quick- quip interview with an athlete's carreer...nor the Olympic/FIS/WADA organisations with what happens between the start and finish gates.
Personally I've always found LSD to enhance my ski performance...but its tough to talk to republicans and Brits on the chair rides.
post #127 of 262
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Originally Posted by soulman978
Spin,

Those were not my examples, rather I was replying to a post where other sports were mentioned, in particular the original poster mentioned football, basketball, and baseball.

Also, as I mentioned before, these lapses in judgement by athletes in other sports occur off the field of play.

Whatever Bode wants to do on his own time more power to him, but when he brings that onto the field of play it is wrong. Just because the FIS doesn't have a rule about skiing drunk or hungover doesn't make it right.
Bogus distinctions. How is it better to be a drunk driver or rapist "off the field of play" than to way, way overdo it celebrating the night before another race rolls around? Get real...
post #128 of 262
Why is it that everyone is on the Bode bandwagon when, right now, the big guy of the US team is Daron? May I point out that he still has more victories in the DH than Bode? And that he competes in GS, SG and DH, just like Bode (with the exception of Slalom, a discipline Bode should scratch altogether seeing how poorly he performs now)?

The Bode that is now skiing is not the same as the one who won the silver in 2002 or the globe in 2004, he has become full of himself and distracted by the media to the point of not being motivated enough to win, or at least, to try to win.
post #129 of 262
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Originally Posted by spindrift
Bogus distinctions. How is it better to be a drunk driver or rapist "off the field of play" than to way, way overdo it celebrating the night before another race rolls around? Get real...
I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. I do not condone the behavior of the athletes of the other sports, but what I'm trying to say is that their indiscretions do not affect the image of their sport. Yes, it affects the individual athletes image, but it does not tarnish the image of the whole sport. This is because what they do, they do off the field of play. What Bode did could potentially have a negative impact on US ski racing and we don't need that.

It's about the sport, not stickin it to the man.
post #130 of 262

Hey - Image and anti-dope scrutineers

How is Hans Knauss doing in his lawsuit and ruined career ? Is sport improved?
Don't confuse Justice with Law ...or Democracy with a vote if all you watch is 60 minutes.
post #131 of 262
I did not see the interview, and do not care too much about it. I just want to make a few points.

1. There is always creative editing, to gain the most viewers.
2. Miller's job is to race, and get his sponsors' names on the podium.
3. Miller, showing up drunk or hungover, for a race, is the same as you or I showing up that way for work.
4. Wether he likes it or not, he is a star of the sport and he will be iconified for his achievments.
5. Does he work harder than most of us? Yes.
6. Do we expect our sports stars/heros to be super human? Yes.

For the record, I think Miller should have exercised more control in celebrating until after the racing was done. Kudos to him for a grand achievement. I hope he, and the rest of the US team, does well at the Oplymics.
post #132 of 262
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Originally Posted by soulman978
He trains in a red barn on his farm performing plyometric high hurdle jumps that I bet no one in this forum could do, I already no I can't.


Hello, my name is no one.
The only difference is my barn is blue.
post #133 of 262
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Originally Posted by loboskis
Hello, my name is no one.
The only difference is my barn is blue.
and I guess a world cup title
post #134 of 262
Anyone who honestly believes that sports stars and celebrities do not inadvertantly become role models is naive.

Whether the guy likes it or not, he is in the public eye and is both an ambassador and a role model. He cant deny that he hasnt worked towards this, otherwise he would have found himself a job instead of doing all the training he has. He is seriously stupid if he thought that wouldnt happen were he a success!

He gets money because of his public entertainment. He is not some sort of god, he is a simple entertainer in the same light as the comedian doing a pub tour. Similarly, if he acts badly, he has no god given right to ski and be paid for it, irrelevant of how good he is, so it would not be unfair for organisers to tell him to go and jump.
post #135 of 262
Be careful. There is a wide line between sport and entertainment.

World Whatever Wrestling is entertainment.

Bode is running DH and bites it hard. He takes out a gate judge. The judge dies!

A. Bode is found to be straight .. .. .. "s_it happens; it's racing".

B. Bode has blown or has an equivalent of 0.06 alcohol ..... ???? Is it still "s_hit happens"?
post #136 of 262
I believe a lot of the outrage is misplaced.

I'll go out on a limb and say Bode is a better skier (in all disciplines) than ANYONE posting on this board. Show me your hardware and prove me different.

Bode probably skis drunk better than any of us ski sober!

I say so what? If you are embarassed to be a skier or an American after his comments, you are not a true skier or a good American.

Personally what Bode does today, tomorrow, or the next day does not affect me in any way shape or form. I will continue to go to work during the week, ski the occasional evening, and ski every weekend that I possibly can. I will not change my life and ski drunk, I will not hang my head and hide because Bode "embarassed" me and my country.

Get some perspective here folks- racing, just like every other sport is ENTERTAINMENT- it has nothing to do with ANYTHING but ENTERTAINMENT. If racing's ratings go up because Americans want to see if that crazy Bode will make through a race, he has done what no other American before him has done. Good for him.

Let it go! For goodness sakes, after all is said and done, it relly is JUST A GAME!
post #137 of 262
Boy! That was a big long limb you went out on there.

Bode is better than us?

Oh my god.

It never hit me.

My fifteen year old J-2 is faster than I am .... what's the point?
post #138 of 262
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Originally Posted by Yuki
.... what's the point?
Bode probably skis drunk better than anyone here skis sober!

I will go out on a limb and say a drunk Bode Miller poses less of a threat to others saftey than a sober Bear!
post #139 of 262
Lets talk sports role models.
TO - He's great isnt he?
Marcus Vick- Another perfect guy eh?
The Vikings Players- They're also good
Kobe- another goody
Jose Canseco
Jason Giambi
Barry Bonds
David Wells
If you want I can go on. My point, they are also international superstars, and have done something much worse then Bode. Compared to them Bode is an angel. If you don't like Bode and don't have anything to say about him leave him alone, go away, and win a world champsionship then come back and talk. Let me also say this again, he does not care about Gold Medals or winning anymore, he cares about good runs and fun skiing. You saying popularity has gone to his head is crap, he is too popular in his own mind and has become a hermit to avoid people. He simply doesn't want to listen to all you people telling him he can't do this and that. All you people who feel he has something to prove to you need a CAT scan. He proved to the world he can win, thats all he wanted. Now he is in it for the fun. So once again to naysayers, bug off. Go away. Nothing good to say about the guy that helped bring back American ski racing? Don't say anything. Once you win a WC you can clap your gums all you want about everything in life as well.
Its also funny as well that all of you are saying that if something happens and Bode has alcohol in his system this that and the other thing will happen. Do you honestly believe no others racers out there do the same thing as him more often? I honestly think other skiers do the same thing and the difference is the aren't WC's and they haven't been interviewed by 60 min. Or live in your dream world and think Bode is the only one who does this.
post #140 of 262
And I admit I am not a TRUE American ...

Please advise where I can turn in my:

USSA

PSIA

VFW .... and other cards ...

The red barn thing was a powerful arguement and almost had me swayed for a moment!

Did I say that I didn't like Bode? I may like him but still not agree with him.

Interesting equation ..... the greater number of stoned/drunk jocks = more legitmacy to ... ?? Yer' kiddin?
post #141 of 262
The way people like yourself are acting it seems as though you have never heard of such a thing in professional sports. Heres and idea, let him do what he wants to, who gives a crap. His life, his choice.
post #142 of 262
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Originally Posted by soulman978
What does that have to do with anything we are talking about???
That is just part of what I said. For me it has a lot to do with the way Bode goes about things and his attitude towards those who think he should be doing things a certain way. He's training in a barn on his property with equipment I would guess that cost less than $500 instead of the multi million dollar setup the US ski team has.


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Originally Posted by soulman978
The difference here is that those indiscretions are not brought onto the field of play. You don't see basketball or football superstars show up to play drunk or hungover.
Please let me know when you're sure they are not brought onto the field of play. Baseball players are well known for their bar antics after the game, problem is they don't have to be at work until 3 or 4 the next day. Please answer this. Why doesn't the MBA (Marijuana Basketball Association) test for marijuana. I bet some of those guy play high or have smoked up the day of a game.


Here is just a list of great role models to have your kids look up too:

MLB:
Kirby Puckett- Sexual Harrassment
Ugueth Urbina- Murder? Attempted Murder? Who knows.
Eric Davis- Drugs, Assault
Ken Caminiti- Crack
Sidney Ponson- Drunk driving twice
Milton Bradley- Jailed for not paying speeding tickets; accused of assault
Carl Everett- Child Abuse, Domestic Violence, Assault, etc.
Dave Parker- Cocaine
Steve Howe- Crack
Fergie Jenkins- Cocaine
Will Cordero- tied his wife up with a telephone cord
Vince Coleman- threw firecrackers at fans
Tony Phillips- -smoking crack
Darryl Strawberry- Cocaine
Jermey Giambi-Caught with pot at the airport
Kenny Rogers- assault on cameraman
The numerous players using roids, caught and uncaught.

NBA:
Allen Iverson- Assault
Kobe Bryant- Rape
Marcus Camby- Marijuana possession
Jason Kidd- Wife beating
Glenn Robinson- Assault battery with firearm
Ruben Patterson- wife beating
Damon Stoudamire- Marijuana possesion
Rasheed Wallace- Marijuana possesion
Ron Artest and Jermaine O'neal- No need for elaboration
Latrell Sprewell- Assaulting a coach
Gary Payton- Assault
Sam Cassell- Assault
Jayson Williams- Manslaughter

NFL
Ray Lewis- Murder charges
Jamal Lewis- Drugs
Nate Newton- Drugs
Rae Carruth- Murder
Leonard Little- Involuntary manslaughter
Mark Chmura- Sexual Assault with a minor

Obviously there are a ton more NFL'er. Back in 2002 21% (509) players had more than a minor brush with the law.

I will take Bode any day.
post #143 of 262
I really can't understand how people are surprised at all by what they heard last PM. This is Bode. He has not let anyone down. His own coaches said that they don't understand how his mind works/what inspires him to win.
Yes he has been given the opportunity or the support that the US Ski Team has to offer and they (and all of us) have benefited from that. Do not for a second minimize what he (himself) has accomplished. And the way he has done it may not have been possible under a different system- like the Austrian.
Check out the website www.joinbode.com. He has alot to say that makes sense.

For what its worth, I have 2 sons, both in racing programs and the oldest may end up going to the same academy that Bode attended.
post #144 of 262
The arguement of bode being better drunk than most sober doesnt hold. Plenty of racing drivers will drive better drunk than the rest can sober..... it doesnt make that behavior OK.

We can all have our own views, but it remains that it is not a good example to be setting to be performing a dangerous activity under intoxicating influence. No one has actually come up with a good reason why it is a good thing to do. There have been plenty of arguements but none actually tackled the core issue. Just because other sports people are worse, does not make it OK!

I will also add to what is (mainly) a N.American forum.... to those not in the skiing know, this incident will end up being considered as 'some daft american skiing drunk'.... while it is of course not a reflection on American skiing, mud (whether warranted or not) tends to stick
post #145 of 262
Also: noone could suggest that he has made a habit out of skiing drunk. We are most likely looking at an isolated incident. This is really a minor blip that is being blown out of proportion. I think it's also wrong to label him as spoiled or whatever- look at what he has done, what he has earned. There are alot of spoiled 20 somethings out there- he is not one of them.
post #146 of 262
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Originally Posted by migibs
That is just part of what I said. For me it has a lot to do with the way Bode goes about things and his attitude towards those who think he should be doing things a certain way. He's training in a barn on his property with equipment I would guess that cost less than $500 instead of the multi million dollar setup the US ski team has.




Please let me know when you're sure they are not brought onto the field of play. Baseball players are well known for their bar antics after the game, problem is they don't have to be at work until 3 or 4 the next day. Please answer this. Why doesn't the MBA (Marijuana Basketball Association) test for marijuana. I bet some of those guy play high or have smoked up the day of a game.


Here is just a list of great role models to have your kids look up too:

MLB:
Kirby Puckett- Sexual Harrassment
Ugueth Urbina- Murder? Attempted Murder? Who knows.
Eric Davis- Drugs, Assault
Ken Caminiti- Crack
Sidney Ponson- Drunk driving twice
Milton Bradley- Jailed for not paying speeding tickets; accused of assault
Carl Everett- Child Abuse, Domestic Violence, Assault, etc.
Dave Parker- Cocaine
Steve Howe- Crack
Fergie Jenkins- Cocaine
Will Cordero- tied his wife up with a telephone cord
Vince Coleman- threw firecrackers at fans
Tony Phillips- -smoking crack
Darryl Strawberry- Cocaine
Jermey Giambi-Caught with pot at the airport
Kenny Rogers- assault on cameraman
The numerous players using roids, caught and uncaught.

NBA:
Allen Iverson- Assault
Kobe Bryant- Rape
Marcus Camby- Marijuana possession
Jason Kidd- Wife beating
Glenn Robinson- Assault battery with firearm
Ruben Patterson- wife beating
Damon Stoudamire- Marijuana possesion
Rasheed Wallace- Marijuana possesion
Ron Artest and Jermaine O'neal- No need for elaboration
Latrell Sprewell- Assaulting a coach
Gary Payton- Assault
Sam Cassell- Assault
Jayson Williams- Manslaughter

NFL
Ray Lewis- Murder charges
Jamal Lewis- Drugs
Nate Newton- Drugs
Rae Carruth- Murder
Leonard Little- Involuntary manslaughter
Mark Chmura- Sexual Assault with a minor

Obviously there are a ton more NFL'er. Back in 2002 21% (509) players had more than a minor brush with the law.

I will take Bode any day.

Again, I will repost my previous statement.......

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Originally Posted by soulman978
I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. I do not condone the behavior of the athletes of the other sports, but what I'm trying to say is that their indiscretions do not affect the image of their sport. Yes, it affects the individual athletes image, but it does not tarnish the image of the whole sport. This is because what they do, they do off the field of play. What Bode did could potentially have a negative impact on US ski racing and we don't need that.

It's about the sport, not stickin it to the man.
You still have not given an example where a recent world class superstar has shown up to a proffesional competition intoxicated or hungover.
post #147 of 262
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Originally Posted by lincoln
Also: noone could suggest that he has made a habit out of skiing drunk. We are most likely looking at an isolated incident. This is really a minor blip that is being blown out of proportion. I think it's also wrong to label him as spoiled or whatever- look at what he has done, what he has earned. There are alot of spoiled 20 somethings out there- he is not one of them.
Lincoln,

I don't think anyone is saying that he makes a habit out of it. Even if it was an isolated incident, it is still wrong. Bode has responsibility with his position whether he wants it or not. If he doesn't want it and wants to just "ski for fun", he should leave the US Ski team and move to a cabin in the mountains and ski all he wants.... for fun.

That being said, I have nothing against Bode as a person. He is probably a great guy and really cool to hang out with. I just take issue with the way he conducts himself proffesionally.
post #148 of 262
I do agree that it is wrong. I just think that there is room for accepting that this is the way Bode is- his coaches don't know what makes him tick- there is a recklessness or lack of conformity about him that, in his case, works. I don't think the US ski team should condone that kind of behavior. I also think the majority of racers, parents/coaches understand that Bode's mental attitude, style, training regimen, etc. do not apply to most everyone out there. Then again, Bode is pretty clear that for most everyone winning the medals/trophies is not what it is all about.

Off the subject- if you haven't checked out the article in Powder recently with Daron Rahlves, Mark Abma, and ?other skier talking about their filming in AK, do so. Not that there is any doubt, but Daron is the man!
post #149 of 262
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Originally Posted by g-force
actually raced drunk...
Why would he lie? He said he did.

I thought the dumbest thing out of his mouth in that interview was that drivel about a perfect Olympics being heart-string-tugging moments... wtf?
post #150 of 262
I thought it was funny that he talked about how dangerous it was skiing drunk and it was the slalom. I can guarantee you that if it was the downhill he would not have raced. I am not saying you cant get hurt doing the slalom but cmon, we have all seen the falls in the slalom versus the downhill. The slalom falls look like when I fall. For the downhill if you ever for one second doubt how fast they are going watch em fall.....
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