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do you need to wax & tune new ski's

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I have a new pair of k2 axis x pros in the wrapper I am shipping them to colorado to have bindings mounted so they will be ready when I get there.I thought they would need to be tuned & waxed for the conditions temp,snow but the shop there told me all they needed was to have the tips & tails detuned & to ski on them 2 or 3 days then have them waxed. I thought the wax they came with was for storage not really for skiing on. thanks bteddy waiting for feb 1rst
post #2 of 16
New skis do come waxed, and as you thought, it is a wax for shipping. The wax is usually applied to the surface and not into the pores of the base. A good hot wax using an iron is suggested. Search this site for waxing instructions. Get a cheap iron at a flea market or garage sale, or just take your mom's.
post #3 of 16
You should for sure wax them before you ski. Several years ago I didn't wax a pair of new skis and the base began oxidizing on the inside edges after one day. This is most important if you are on artificial snow, as it is very abrasive.

If you a really picky about your equipment, wax them several times before they touch snow. I've heard that World Cup techs wax new skis 30+ time before they are skied!
post #4 of 16
and don't let them detune them until you ski them and decide if you need them de-tuned. If you are not having "hooking" or real grabby tips problems, leave them be.

Yes wax.
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
BetaRacer living in florida I don't have a ski shop or supplies near by. in the future I will have the wax ect I need but for right now I was counting on the shop in summit county colorado to fix me up since I need them to mount the bindings anyway. just want the ski's prepped right.should I look for another shop or just tell them I absolutly want the ski's waxed thanks bteddy
post #6 of 16
I would find another shop.
If they would have you ski on shiping wax I wouldn't trust them with my new skis.
I don't understand how they do buisness when they tell you to skip the wax. The first waxing and preperation is the most important in a ski's life.
post #7 of 16
Bteddy, in this day of E-commerce, you can have all the ski tuning equipment the day after you order it on line.

All you really need is an old steam iron that has a working temperature comtrol and a smooth base. Steam holes or not, it doesn't matter. Holeless is only better because it is cleaner (less wax drips over the work bench). Get a simple wax set such as Toko System 3 in yellow, red and green. Keep away from the flouro issue for now, since that is way too expensive and technical to pursue.

My travel kit is quite small, and fits in a small bag. Iron, waxes, vices, extension cord, tool box with files and guides, scrapers, p-tex, brake retainers, etc., and then I have an inexpensive folding work table made with folding conference table legs and 2 layers of 3/4 inch plywood 4'x12". Back in my youth, it was too cold to wax outside, and there was no underground, so we waxed in the kitchen of a condo. We used a bed sheet to protect the floor, but the wax buildup on the table...... I advise to find a suitable place to wax and scrape.
post #8 of 16
Hey, the guy lives in Florida and wants his skis ready to enjoy when he gets there. He does NOT need a valice full of tuning equipment or the time out of his life it will take him, not just to tune them, but to LEARN to tune them. Simple, my ass! Want to enjoy these new skis the first time out? Tell the shop to give them a FULL TUNE, including stone grinding the bases, sharpening the edges, and ironing on some REAL wax. Then, when you get there on your long awaited trip to the hills you can SKI! I mean, that's if skiing is what you WANT. However, if what you would rather have is, NOT skiing, but a bunch of time finding out what the skis need - then sure, do something else. Hey, folks, time is not replaceable. Let the guy start out knowing that his equipment is ready for a good time! New skis can be in just about ANY kind of shape, and only a full tune will assure this Floridian that his skis are what they ought to be.
post #9 of 16
I had to add like Zeek said find another shop these guys sound plain stupid. Dont let them detune the edges, thats just plain stupid. And saying not to wax new ski's ranks right up there with highway robbery. Run from that place as fast as you can and find a shop that doesnt employ morons. :
post #10 of 16
Oboe, I have to disagree with you. If the shop tells the guy that he can ski a couple of days on the transport wax, how can anyone be certain that they know how to even perform a proper hot wax, let alone a full service? Waxing and scraping is simple, and one doesn't need much equipment to do it, it just makes it easier when one has the key tools. He's not going skiing tomorrow. A bar of wax and scraper will cost about $10, and a cheap iron the same. Use some rubber bands to hold the brakes up, lay the skis across 2 chairs, and drip some wax on and iron it in. Let it cool, and then scrape it off. Simple, and you only missed a re-run of Family Feud.

I guess there is a difference between a skier and someone who skis. I, as a skier, take it upon myself to make certain that my skis are in the best condition they can be in. There are only a few people who I trust to run my gear through a machine, and I tell them what I want done.
post #11 of 16
I agree skiers should know how to at least hotwax and scrape but I believe bteddy said he needs to have bindings mounted too. The shop that does the mount should be able to at least do a good tune. If the shop said it's ok to ski on the shipping wax and wants to detune the tips on new shaped skis, I say find another shop.

I can however sympathize with those who do not want to do any work on their skis. Again sometimes we take for granted the knowledge and skills we have or have learned. I know some guys that are great skiers but don't know a thing about the tune or how to tune or wax their skis. Just recently someone I thought should know how to wax their skis told me he just bubbled his bases when he tried to iron on some wax. He didn't know how hot to set the iron. Luckily the shop was able to grind most of the damage out.
post #12 of 16
My 2 cents...
I got my P50's "out of the box" earlier this season. Anxious to hit the slopes, i just peeled off the factory sticker from the base and went.
Detuning tips and tails would have been a good idea. I constantly caught edges for two days until they "broke in". Other than that the factory edge tune was fine.
You CAN ski on factory wax for maybe a day, but it is definetly a good idea to give them a wax job. Works much better, and it provides better base protection, too. Shops run it through a machine, it's not a big deal, ask them to wax the skis. Good shops will scrape off excess wax (mine back home does not (sigh)). Stone grind? Nope, don't do that, the skis should be structured just fine.
For ski tunes, i have the following equipment:
Universal hot wax (ski shop)
Travel iron (household)
Plastic scraper (ski shop)
Nylon brush (household)
Scotch-Britt (household)
Adjustable Edge tuner (ski shop)
Ski brake retainer (came with edge tuner)
Items which are optional (IMHO):
hot wax for different conditions,
metal scraper to clean the bases
detune gum
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
oboe you hit the nail on the head as I told BetaRacer in the future I will have the equip ect I have a shop full of any tool you can think of well almost, my snap on bill stays pretty consistant any way I want to learn how to tune & wax just not enough time as I just got these skis & want to ship them any way so I don't have to drag them thru the airport & I plan on skiing the day I get to keystone thank goodness for night skiing.I just figured I have to have my bindings mounted & would just like to have them ready to go. this is our busy time at work I'm the only one that takes a vacation in winter but I'm one of the key people so they can't tell me no,I made that very clear but I have a lot to do to getaway.these are the first skis I've owned in twenty years but will own 2 or 3 pairs soon.thanks for every body's input this site is great especialy for someone who loves to ski but dosen't live close to any ski area or shop closes shop is 6 hrs away but living on florida coast dosn't suck either. waiting for feb 1rst again thanks bteddy
post #14 of 16
Keystone, isn't that near Frisco, CO? Isn't there a shop there called Precison Tuning? Jim Deines, owner? Would that be the place to send the Panhandler?
post #15 of 16
Hang on... not to be critical of anyone, but what level of a skier is "bteddy"?

By the way, I think "bteddy" has asked a very good question about whether or not he/she should ski on the factory wax. Good topic.

Back to my question: If these are the first pair of skis that "bteddy" has owned in 20 years, and if "bteddy" doesn't know how to wax skis, then I'd guess that "bteddy" is an intermediate level skier, not an advanced or expert skier. If that's the case, then the ski shop did him a disservice in selling the "K2 Axis X Pros" skis.

Dave
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
hey guys made some calls found a shop in keystone at river run ,precision ski.they are going to fix me up one of the guys at surefoot recomended them.dave86 I should have mentioned I am a level 8 skier. I grew up skiing in wisconsin but have been making yearly trips west from florida.I have been demoing for years but want my own skis.but you are right these skis are stifffff not for everybody if I don't like them I'll sell them.with all the skis ect.I see sold on ebay & all the online shops that will ship skis in the wrapper a lot of people would be faced with this question.thanks for all your input. bteddy waiting for feb1st
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