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post #31 of 46
The 170cm will give you plenty of stability for everything short of Super G skiing.

You might also consider the RX9, also in a 170.

Cheers,

Michael
post #32 of 46
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Originally Posted by SergeMA1
Folks, I need some advice on ski length as well... I live in Boston and ski mostly in NH.
I am 5'11" (180cm) 165 lbs (75kg) male.

I currently ski on Fischer RC4 SC Worlcup 160cm, which are great. But not stable enough at higher speeds...
I am thinking of buying a pair of Fischer WC RC skis...And keep the SCs, of course.

My question is whether I shoud get either 170 or 175cm RCs... Folks much bigger than me are skiing 175cm. Would that be too long for me?
I am pretty aggressive, but do not race.

Thank you!

Serge
I weigh about 165 and find the 2004-2005 Fischer Worldcup SC in a 165cm stable enough at speeds around 60 mph. They don't smooth out the chop like a longer ski will, so maybe this is what you are talking about. Mine don't wobble vibrate or flop around at all, though you can certainly feel the ice/snow.

If you are finding actual instability in the SCs, I can only imagine how fast you must be going. You should probably go for the 175 cm skis, after all it's not like you don't have a shorter pair for short turns.

Another option might be an SX11 or SXB5; they feel "solider".

EDIT: I'm assuming you know enough to keep them slightly on edge, and are not talking about the way they "hunt" back and forth for turns.
post #33 of 46
I beleive you should go for the 175 or even a 180. The RC is not intended to be a short carver, it is really a GS ski with additional sidecut. If you are going to keep the SC's, why not go long with the RC? The best choice, obviously, would be to demo them but you may have trouble finding them in a demo shop. Another source would be to talk to your local area race team. They have contacts with the race reps and the local Fischer guy may have some demo's in the RC as it is a popular Masters GS ski. Good luck!
post #34 of 46
Thanks guys...

The SC Skis I have are the 2003 ones with 124mm tip and over 100mm tail... 160cm with a radius of 9m or so. You are talking real propellers. So I feel that they are a little too turny at higher speeds...( I seriously doubt I am going over 60mph ) They are not unstable in terms of floppy or wobbly... I always keep them on edge...They just feel oversteering in car terms and not long enough.

2005 SCs have a more moderate sidecut. That may be the difference.

"They don't smooth out the chop like a longer ski will" - that's also right...

I mostly ski Mt Sunapee. If you guys know, there is a trail called Lynx.

Basically, it is the only run where my SCs feel short. Or I suck, which is possible, too Racer kids on (Fischer, Elan) GS skis effortlessly fly by when I am trying to carve short turns to keep my speed under control in the first half of the run, which is relatively steep. If I let go and try to do big arcs it just does not feel right... I have to slow down... Closer to the bottom the pitch levels out, and my control and confindence come back.


Where can I get some racing lessons, btw?
post #35 of 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by SergeMA1
Thanks guys...

The SC Skis I have are the 2003 ones with 124mm tip and over 100mm tail... 160cm with a radius of 9m or so. You are talking real propellers. So I feel that they are a little too turny at higher speeds...( I seriously doubt I am going over 60mph ) They are not unstable in terms of floppy or wobbly... I always keep them on edge...They just feel oversteering in car terms and not long enough.

2005 SCs have a more moderate sidecut. That may be the difference.

"They don't smooth out the chop like a longer ski will" - that's also right...

I mostly ski Mt Sunapee. If you guys know, there is a trail called Lynx.

Basically, it is the only run where my SCs feel short. Or I suck, which is possible, too Racer kids on (Fischer, Elan) GS skis effortlessly fly by when I am trying to carve short turns to keep my speed under control in the first half of the run, which is relatively steep. If I let go and try to do big arcs it just does not feel right... I have to slow down... Closer to the bottom the pitch levels out, and my control and confindence come back.


Where can I get some racing lessons, btw?

9m: .I can understand how you might get a little tired of making teeny-weeny turns all day long, especially if the hill is wide open. I bought my 13-m WC SC skis just because the hills are so small around here, I thought I could use them for exploring moguls, and make more turns per run. We haven't had enough snow to make moguls yet this year (small knee-high bumps don't count), and the other day, after skiing my long skis, I found the 13-m radius a little less than ideal (my long skis have a 70-m radius). Maybe I should look into an RC too.

Get the 175; it's easier to bend it tighter than it is to carve a longer turn.
post #36 of 46
Hi - New Guy here!

Intriguing... I still tend to skis somewhat on the long side. I'm 5'11" depending on the time of the day, and weigh about 180 depending on what I had for lunch. I bought 2 sets of Fischer's - The RC4 World Cup SL in a 165cm, and the RC4 World Cup GS in a 188cm. I finally got them tuned/waxed, etc. last night, and I'm dying to get out on them. I currently own the following:

Rossi Mtn. Viper 9.9 - 191cm
Rossi Bandit X - 184cm
Salomon Eqipe 9100 2S - 198cm
Rossi Sprayer BC - 182cm (on the way)

I'm beginning to think that I may have gone a bit long on the RC4 GS skis, but I'm willing to give them the good ol' college try. I've been skiing on longer "shaped" skis so I'm thinking I should do alright. Since I know I won't be trying to do short turns on them, I won't expect that from them. It's ALWAYS icy here in MN, so I'm pretty sure I will really put the edge hold to the test. Anyone else around here ski anything this long anymore? I was planning on buying these in the 183cm, but of course when I decided to do that, the last pair was sent out the day before - but what's a couple inches, right?
post #37 of 46
Nothing wrong with that length for a GS ski, or the SL length for that matter.

Edit: I notice you picked GS and SL, not SC and RC. Why the move to race skis?
post #38 of 46
PRICE!! 2 pair of skis for just shy of $600, and they were brand new (2005 models). That and I'm certain I can handle them. I guess I've always enjoyed a "stout" ski - skis that are sensitive to user input. I skied Salomon 9100's back in the day quite a bit and always enjoyed the "interface" I got with them.

I've always enjoyed the "pure racers" I've demo'd, so it was a fairly easy decision to make, and as I know the real limitations of the gear I use, I know what to and what not to expect. And as a former tech, I have my own jigs and so on, so doing all the set-up and mounting is an easy & fun chore.
post #39 of 46

Fischer RC4 World Cup SL & GS review...

Got to ski the RC4 WC SL's and GS's yesterday for the first time!! WOW - it's been a LONG time since I've been on a pure slalom ski!! What a blast - especially here in Minnesota.

Quick review - me: 5'11", 180 or so..., boots - Atomic M10 (first day on these too!), probably a cautious level 8 depending on who you ask (I just don't do bumps)

SL with Race Plates - 165cm, set up with Salomon 810's -- Rail-like grip! Edge to edge vastly quicker than anything I have ever been on. Initially alittle skittish, but as I got the feel for them, they inspired confidence in small & medium radius turns. I was surprised that a R<14 m. ski was able to make some of the longer turns I pushed them through. They were also quite capable of holding a straight line - again surprising. A blast for the short hills here in MN - I would recommend them highly! Contrary to what I have heard, these skis ARE manageable for "other-than-racer" types -- either that or I'm better than I think.: The hill I was on wasn't terribly steep - I can't wait to get them on something longer, steeper, and a bit more challenging.

GS with Race Plates - 188cm, same bindings - Again, like riding rails, only much less "S" shaped. Going from a pair of slalom skis I have never skied to a pair of GS skis I have never skied was ...challenging. However, after the one or two initial awkward "getting to know you" runs, I was pleasantly surprised by how willing they were to do what I wanted them to. Ultra stable at speed (what I was able to get from them on this hill...), and with small kickers, they inspired airborn confidence - the landing was always stable, and they did not track erratically in the least. By no means a short turner, I was able to coax some medium radius turns out of them, and the long turns were like poetry. Initially, I was concerned by the length I chose (I originally wanted a 183cm, but there were none to be had), but I think they are going to be perfect at 188cm. I can ski them quite aggressively at this length, and if I gain a few pounds, it won't be an issue. I would not have thought of using a full-on race si as an all-around groomed long-turner, but this one seems to be up to the task. Again, a bit more fogiving than I had expected based on what I have read.

All in all, I feel good about the decision to buy both of these! I was initially hesitant as I am NOT a racer (well, NASTAR every now & then doesn't really count), but I think they will actually help my technique. They let you know where your flaws are, but won't instantly punish you for it - they give you a chance to right your course. Now when my twin tips arrive...:
post #40 of 46
This ski sounds FANTASTIC! Just what I'm looking for in my next ski and the deal on Ski Depot sounds good.

I am definitly looking to try these out when I go to Utah in two weeks time, so we'll see if they are suitable to my skiing. I'd also like to try the RX9s.

I have already posted, to try and establish a demo list for my trip; here: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=38124

Could I get some feedback from you guys who have skied this ski, with reference to my post (linked above).

My only concern is the ability to do shortER (not slalom short) turns.

Also, could someone define "cheater ski" to me? What are the benefits?
post #41 of 46
Kevin, the RC is fantastic! I'm 165 lbs, I ski the 175. I have no trouble at all bending this ski into nice round mid radius arcs.
post #42 of 46
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Originally Posted by ellensdad
Kevin, the RC is fantastic! I'm 165 lbs, I ski the 175. I have no trouble at all bending this ski into nice round mid radius arcs.
MUST FIGHT URGE TO BUY BEFORE DEMOING!!!!!

I was thinking the 170s or 175s

What are my options with bindings for this ski?
post #43 of 46
The 175's are incredibly stable. You may be sacrificing some of that w/ the 170's. Look P10 Lifter's work beautifuly and can be had fairly cheaply on Ebay.

I didn't demo this ski. I bought mine from Ski Depot as well. Nice folks.
post #44 of 46
Based on your guys responses I just got my pair of 175cm RCs from ski-depot. Have not tried them yet... They look looong and intimidating next to my 160cm SCs I have also ordered the Salomon 810Ti bindings. I use 810Ti on all my skis, they have removable lifters, the front piece has height adjustment, so I can mount the bindings without the front lifter for an added ramp angle...

Also, the 2006 RCs have those "dimples" on the race plates, I hope it does not mean I will not be able to mount my Salomon bindings?
post #45 of 46

hey!

I thinking of buying some Fischer Rennschi RC4 Worldcup second hand skies. They ask me to pay 120 is that cheap?? and just another question, my heigh is 177cm, is 170cm long fischer ski suitable for me?

thank you.

Itsaso

post #46 of 46

I'm 59 years old, weigh about 175, 5'10" tall and have the Fischer WC GS ski at 183 cm. I love the edge hold these skis have. I cut 88 degree edges with an edge tool and they hold great on hardpack and ice, and they stay sharp. They literally have the sharpest edges I've ever had. I sliced off some skin packing them in a carrier to go out to Utah. Sheesh! . They have a 27m radius and are pretty easy to kick around for tight turning on trails like Outer Limits at Killington.  They have a 65mm waist, say A 02 at the heel. My skis are not the "holy nose/split tail" ones. I tried tucking most of East Fall at Killington and only got up to 50 MPH per my Zeal GPS goggles. The base seems slow, more drag more sag than most skis I've been on.  I suspect the holy nose skis have a better and faster base, otherwise maybe I just got a crappy pair. I like them but I don't have that "such a fast ski you can barely stay on top of it" feeling from mine.  Overall a good ski, especially on ice, but kinda slow.

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