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post #31 of 56
it took Dr Steinberg a lot more paragraphs to say what we've been telling you all along!
post #32 of 56
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Originally Posted by philippeR
Sorry if i'm side tracking this thread, but it raises two interesting questions to me :
My rossi boot's liners seem to have aged better than that. Does it means one's way of skiing has a big impact on liners packing ?
I can get an adequate fit with thin socks by clicking the buckles one step further but found it very uncomfortable (painful pressure on the the top of my foot) and prefer the 'thicker socks solution'. Actualy, I almost always use the same setting on my buckles from the day of purchase of a boot. Everything else than this 'right' settiing is uncomfortable. Do you use (are you supposed to use) different settings according to the way you ski or the age oof the boot ?
I fit my Rossi B2 boots by the shell measurement method. I wear US 10.5 or US 11.0 in shoes. my B2 boots are 26.0/26.5 shell, equal to a US 8.5 shoe. there's nothing I could have done to improve the situation, short of buying and using a "plug" boot.

the hypotheses you raise don't make much sense to me, sorry.
post #33 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
it took Dr Steinberg a lot more paragraphs to say what we've been telling you all along!
Yeah, but he's a DOCTOR... j/k
post #34 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
I fit my Rossi B2 boots by the shell measurement method. I wear US 10.5 or US 11.0 in shoes. my B2 boots are 26.0/26.5 shell, equal to a US 8.5 shoe. there's nothing I could have done to improve the situation, short of buying and using a "plug" boot.
the hypotheses you raise don't make much sense to me, sorry.
: I think I need to rephrase it more carefully (and maybe take some english lessons...).
I was just wondering, as your boots seem to have degraded faster than mine, if your skiing (presumably more agressive) has something to do with it. Or if it's just bad luck. Or if I'm overly tolerant to a packed out boot.
I was also interested by the fact you try compensate the packing of the liner by thightening the buckles, to the point that you are 'out of adjustment'. Throughout le life of a boot I probably change the buckle setting of the value of a click, anything more changes the feel of the boot and become uncomfortable. I rather compensate the degradation of the liner by wearing a thicker sock. I was just wondering if that's just me.

All the above is for the record (if it make more sense). I'm hijacking this thread.
post #35 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by philippeR
Throughout le life of a boot I probably change the buckle setting of the value of a click, anything more changes the feel of the boot and become uncomfortable. I rather compensate the degradation of the liner by wearing a thicker sock. I was just wondering if that's just me.
That makes sense to me but as we all know, I am by no means an expert. lol
post #36 of 56
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In an attempt to reclaim my thread...

I just went to another ski shop and tried on Salomon X-Wave 8 Free in 26.5 and the felt rather nice on my foot... quite similar to my Bandit's actually. Sales guy tells me Rossis fit a bit tight and Salomon a bit loose so I guess that makes sense.

Again, my foot measures 27.1cm on the left and 26.8cm on the right. I just measured the inside of the Rossi shell and its about 29.0 to 29.5cm, depending on where you measure. So that means I have between 1.9-2.4cm on the left foot and 2.2-2.7cm on the right. For those non-metric folk among us, that is 0.75-0.94" on the left and 0.86-1.06" on the right. I've read many places that I should be between 0.75" and 1" for intermdiate level skiing. 0.5" would be for more advanced skiers. So, now what do you guys think? Should I still look to go a little smaller? What I'm going to do is go to the boot shops and do similar measurements for a bunch of different brands of boots. See if there is much of a difference between a 26 shell and my 27 shell because honestly, if there isn't, I'm gonna stick with the ones I have because they are pretty darn comfy.
post #37 of 56
I'm not budging.
post #38 of 56
jean, what's your measurement without the socks on? I would also still say a 26.5 would be better, but it's not just about how you measure your foot, but how it FITS in the ski boot!
post #39 of 56
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
jean, what's your measurement without the socks on? I would also still say a 26.5 would be better, but it's not just about how you measure your foot, but how it FITS in the ski boot!
listen to the Irishman, Jean. he knows!
post #40 of 56

Numbness

This is from a pressure point and or having the boots too tight..not acceptable and it will not go away on its own..

I have a wide spot on the outside of my lower foot..I always need to have the shell stretched in that area or I get the dreaded numbness..

I ski Rossi Race Ones from a few years ago..had to stretch the shell..skied Rossi Freerides before that..Rossi is a good fit for a narrow heel and wide forefoot if you blow the shell out a bit..yeah and those crappy factory foot beds need to be repaced..had good luck with the Surefoot folk at Copper

I agree that Rossi liners do not pack out too much..I am still on the first buckle position after 1.5 seasons (80 days or so)
post #41 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle crud
I'm not budging.
Haha... your one liners are great! They say so much in so few words. Obviously, I'm not nearly as gifted with respect to brevity.

I think you are right though, I am definitely on the luxurious side but I did prove to myself that that the Rossis are "very close" to the right fit for me. And if they don't pack out a hell of a lot, I could be OK. Regardless, tomorrow night its back to the shop for some more measuring and boot fitting. I will come out of this experience with the right boot, I guarantee it as surely as they guarantee the fit of their boots. : lol.

I am now worried that the B1's may be too much boot for me too in terms of flex. Maybe a softer flex will be better otherwise its gonna be hard for me to get "over" my skis until I get a lot better as I haven't been on skis in a few years. I don't want the skis controlling me.

I'll post back and let you all know how I make out. Again, thanks for the replies, you folks are great!
post #42 of 56
Thread Starter 
Some pics and some more foot dimensions if it helps you guys recommend a different brand/model of boot...

I measured my feet and from heel to toe I measure 27.15 cm (left foot) and 26.83cm (right foot) with ski socks on. Barefoot I measure about 0.25cm shorter. My forefoot is about 10cm wide and about 6.5-7.0cm at the heel. Foot widens gradually but is sharpest about 10cm from the heel. I have a high arch (about 2cm) and my instep is at about 7.5cm from the floor. The foot scales say about 27.3 on the Dalbello scale and 26.6 or so on the Nordica one. My foot measures exactly 9.5 on the standard foot scale.

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post #43 of 56
You do realise that your foot/ankle will very rarely be in that position when skiing (unless you've completely lost control)
post #44 of 56
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
You do realise that your foot/ankle will very rarely be in that position when skiing (unless you've completely lost control)
Good point... I guess I was just trying to give a general idea what my foot looks like more than anything. Should I post a pic with my leg bent forward?
post #45 of 56
Thread Starter 
So I went skiing today....
post #46 of 56
Thread Starter 
... on the Nordica Speedmachine 10s in 26.5. You know what, you guys were so right. 26.5 is definitely my size. In fact, after skiing a few runs you could argue that they are almost a bit big. Anyway, these boots fit everywhere very well and about the only complaint I could even possibly have is that the toe box is a bit small vertically on the left foot (little difficult to wiggle the toes on my bigger foot) but you only notice this when walking around. When skiing, I never noticed it once. Quite frankly, it probably makes for a better skiing boot anyway.

So obviously I took the 27 Rossis back. Those boots would have been so big to ski in... I would have known it after the first run. They tried to fit me into some Solomon X-Wave 8s which were a decent fit but were a bit too roomy in the forefoot width, I was hitting the front of the shell on my left foot and the heel pocket was irritating my right inside ankle where I have a protruding nerve or tendon there. No such issues with the Nordicas.

When I went back to the shop and told them that the Nordicas were the right boot they were very good about it and gave me a full refund. So, no complaints there. I did have to get the bindings remounted but no biggy. But, should they have epoxied the old holes to keep water out of the ski (Rossi Bandit B2 skis)?

So, thank you all for you help. It is greatly appreciated as it helped me to force myself to take the wrong boots back in spite of the fact that teh shop kept telling me they were the right boot. Uncle Crud... many kudos man.

JC
post #47 of 56
you're welcome. I learned the hard way, lost a toenail on my right big toe. that whole season was painful on the right foot.
post #48 of 56

Nordicas and good fit

TheJean,

Probably repeating what others have already said. The Nordicas sound like the best fit for you.

Someone once told me to forget about the brand and model of boot and simply buy the best fit, period. Best advice ever!

One other bit of good news for you. I own the Speedmachines (14's). Contrary to my point above, they are the most comfortable boots I have ever owned (right out of the box). Oh, and consider some decent footbeds (superfeet should do).

Use thin socks like the ultramax or smart wool lightweights, don't buckle em to tight either, snug but not tight (1st or 2nd notch should be enough). All your trying to do is seal the boot from water and insure that the boot is properly snug like a glove.

Good luck!
post #49 of 56
Thread Starter 
I did buy the superfeet with the boots because of my high arch. They seem to help comfort noticeably. I kept the bottom two buckles pretty loose... to the point where the second one would pop open if I flexed the boot any amount. No matter, people tell me that buckle is best left loose anyway. No snow got in so its a non-issue for me.

All I can say is I am glad I didn't take price into consideration when buying my boots.

I am also glad to be back skiing and off of that stupid snowboard!

Cheers all, JC
post #50 of 56
Sounds like you're a lot better off. I wear 9.5 to 10 in street shoes and I'm in a 25.5 Speedmachine 14. My Speedmachines have packed out a lot so far this year. They're not super tight or anything, I ski with the top two buckles on the 2nd notch and the bottom two on the first notch. Nordica seems to use some thick liners on this line of boots. I'm not saying you should be in 25's, but it gives you an idea of how tight boots are supposed to be.

The shop actually wanted to put me in the 26.5 and I insisted on them ordering me some 25's. You did the right thing on insisting to switch boots at your shop. Most shops dont care if they put you in boots too big, it means less work for them. Most shops dont want to deal with hotspots and lots of stretching and grinding unless the skier expects (and pays for) a high performance race fit.
post #51 of 56
Thread Starter 
Hey Matter, you're right on the money. Like I said, I think these boots will pack out a lot (liner feels pretty thick) but the shell feels right (about a finger behind the heel now) so I should be OK. I don't think there will be much boot work required except maybe a slight stretch on the left (bigger) foot... maybe not even that. These boots just seem to fit well everywhere.

I am so glad I heeded your guys' advice. When I told people that I was in a dilemma they thought I was insane for listening to "people online" as opposed to people at a ski shop. I'm a regular on a few automobile forums too so I've become pretty adept at weeding out misinformation. I told them that you can tell when people know what they are talking about and when they don't. You guys seemed to be very knowledgeable whereas I never got that feeling from some of the ski shop salespeople... or perhaps it is that they have alterior motives whereas you folks don't. And I had no idea so I was more inclined to listen to people who have been through this already in spite of my initial reaction that... "They are too tight!"

Anyway, now that I have comfortable good-performing boots my interest in skiing is renewed 10-fold and I owe much of that to you folks. Living in Alberta just got a whole lot better! w00t!

Thanks to all who helped, JC
post #52 of 56
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Thought I'd give everyone an update out of courtesy for helping me out. So far I've spent 4 full days on my boots and they are perfect. I don't even think a slight stretch on the left boot is required anymore. There a slight rub on the left inside ankle that I may get pushed out but really I'd be just being nitpicky if I bothered.

An important thing with my boots though is to put them on warm and then they are fantastic. If they are cold to start, its not good. Also, I have to keep buckle #2 undone otherwise it cuts off circulation and my feet fall asleep. But I've been told by MANY people that the bottom two buckles really don't matter anyway. I am thinking about removing the catches on the second buckle altogether since no snow gets in. I spent all day saturday on the boots and I never had a single time when my feet fell asleep or got cold now that I've learned to keep the second bottom buckle undone and put them on warm.

Thanks again folks! Cheers, JC
post #53 of 56
Yes, the unused holes in your skis should be plugged and sealed to keep water out of the ski's core. Epoxy is very good. If they just left the old screw holes empty, contact the store manager and demand that they do the job right...after you have allowed your skis to get completely dry. You've proven that this shop does not know how to size ski boots...evidently the repair shop there does not know (or care) how to remount binding correctly. Tell your friends to avoid this place.


Ken
post #54 of 56
Thread Starter 
Thanks Ken, I'll be sure to take the skis in and get them epoxied. They may have done it but to be honest, I never knew to ask at the time.
post #55 of 56
glad to hear it's working out for you JC!
post #56 of 56
Thread Starter 
Mods, can you please delete text in post #29 and replace with this link: http://www.footsportsdoc.com/Pages/HOW.htm

For some reason I cannot edit my posts anymore? :

Thanks, JC
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