Originally Posted by Pierre
Lonnie I don't quite agree with your explanation of Harb's view of skiing. Harb understands passive rotary that happens as a result of the skis in contact with the snow but he does not advocate carving one size radius turn with no drifting of the tails. He only uses the sidecut radius carve in early progressions like the Phantom Move. PMTS is narrowly focused on movement patterns to produce a turn but not narrowly focused on tactics and application.
My point is that harb knows that people equate carving to "expert" or upper level skiing. I will admit that I have a copy of "How to be an expert skier" (it was a gift (Thanks SI)) and agree with parts of it, and don't agree with parts of it. I have only read it a time or two (but had it out last night, along with my PSIA mannuals). Harb knows that excessive foot steering can inhibit "carving", esp when folks are taking the skis through a very tight radius turn or they turn the feet much too quickly. By eliminating those movements, for lower level/int. skiers, they get the feeling of the carve much more quickly. At that point, those same skiers say "I'm carving, I've never do that before..." and thats a good thing. I use similar techniques almost every time I teach. But I also explain to my students that there are other ways to redirect the skis (I'm not sure Harb does this at the lower levels).
Now, the move that HS is advocating is very difficult to make work at the lower levels. I'm not going to be able to get a level 1 skier to bend the ski, unless 1). the ski is a noodle, or; 2). they are overweight, which happens more often than not . So getting them to make a short radius turn using the tipping and bending the ski method isn't really an option, at that level. But I can get level 1's to ski all radius turns in just over an hour by changing how much foot steering they apply to the skis. Having taught litterly hundereds/thousands(?) of beginners over the years, I also know that basing the initial turning movements off rotational movements in the legs and feet, rather than pressuring movements, will take my students further in the long run, assuming that they don't come back for lesson #2 (and even if they do).
I never said it was impossible to ski a tighter radius turn by pressuring and bending the skis, I said it was not "FUNCTIONAL" unless you turned your feet to some degree.
Thanks for the refereeing....