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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Well, I went out the other morning after the ice storm to see how the Dynastar Legend 8000s performed on the very hard ice everywheres. It warmed, rained, then freezing rained. After that it went back to freezing and really froze everything hardcore!

I sharpened the 8000s edges the night before so the edges were ready to go.
When I arrived at McCauley mountain(small mtn. nasty huge mogul runs though) the conditions would of made you western skiers put your tails between your legs and go crying like lil bitches Just Kidding(kind of)

With that said here is my short short review.
The Dynastar Legend 8000s were flawless. The edges grabbed the ice and did not let go unless I made some dumb mistake. I was carving way out over my skis with not a thought of if the edges will let go. That was not on the moguls just a normal high speed cruiser.
When I got on the moguls, the skis agian, were flawless! I had no problem closing the Zipper Line down behind me. Edges held like it was thier job(because it is ) and gave me even more confidence to start ripping harder. After a short time of feeling them out. I never gave the ice another thought. It was like there was no ice there. These skis are straight up awesome rippers. Highly recomended for any advance to "expert" rider.
Not much of a review. I just love these skis so much I felt I should share that icey experience.
post #2 of 18
Thanks for the review. I'm thinking about buying the 8000s, and this is just the kind of info I'm looking for.

In Marmotmb's review of his 8800s, he said that he didn't think the Legends are a good ski for big guys like me. I'm 6'2", 230: how do you think the 8000 would work for me? Also, what length of 8000 are you on?
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
I am 165 lbs. 5'7". I am on the 165 8000s. This ski likes to be rode aggressively. It is very quick edge to edge. I have no problems making any turn size at any speed. Handles the bumps very well and quick in the trees.
I bought these skis after demoing them in 172 and 165 . The 165 performs better for "me". They have vertical sidewalls and are a pretty stiff ski that is not all to forgiving as per say the rossi B2.
I ski mainly in Northern NY and VT with spurts out west quite often come midwinter.
I ride nothing else anymore, unless it is a real deep pow day. I then head to my pocket rockets(terrible on anything but soft snow).

I can't see why the ski would not be good for you. It is a rippin ski, and in the right size for you I am sure you will come to that conclusion yourself. I would guess at least a 178 for you. Demo the ski I guarantee it will not dissappoint. Granted you are at least a semi aggressive rider with good technique. These skis excell when being rode hard. They love to go fast and stay stable. The vertical edges eat up steeps in any condition!
Cloudy Skies!
post #4 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colossus178
In Marmotmb's review of his 8800s, he said that he didn't think the Legends are a good ski for big guys like me. I'm 6'2", 230: how do you think the 8000 would work for me? Also, what length of 8000 are you on?
Please don't take my comments too seriously as they are just my opinion and the 8800 is certainly worth a try to see, I could be completely wrong. The 8000 isn't that different in construction materials only size as far as I know, so if the 8000 is good so should the 8800.

Both are great skis from all reports I have read, particullary the 8000 for quick and great edge hold.

If you can demo both.
post #5 of 18
It sounds like it's just what I want: a quick, manoeverable ski that has good edge hold and is stable at speed.

There are a few other skis I'm interested in; I'm going to demo the Metron B5, the Volkl AC4, and the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel. I suspect I'll find that the Nordica and the Volkly are too fast for me, that they perform their best at higher speeds than I'm comfortable with, and I don't know what the Atomic will be like.

Whatever I get has to be comfortable in the moguls, as it seems that, between snow storms, every hill I ski turns to moguls pretty quickly. Also, I've been skiing with a guy who's younger than me, and fairly competitive, and he's always trying to get me to hit jumps and little drops, so I want something that will be easier for me to manage as I learn to drop little cliffs. I'm thinking that the 8000, at 178 cm, might be a very good ski for me.

I've got the Volkl Explosiv, which covers my fat ski needs, so I don't think I'll be looking at the 8800 yet. When I break, wear out, or get tired of the Explosiv, though, the 8800 willl probably be the first ski I look at.
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmot mb
Please don't take my comments too seriously as they are just my opinion and the 8800 is certainly worth a try to see, I could be completely wrong. The 8000 isn't that different in construction materials only size as far as I know, so if the 8000 is good so should the 8800.

Both are great skis from all reports I have read, particullary the 8000 for quick and great edge hold.

If you can demo both.
The 8800 from what I know is the same construction but a little wider all around. I never rode the 8800s but I am planning on demoing a pair. The pocket rockets are to soft for my likeing even out west. So I most likely will switch to the 8800 or the Volkl Mantra for deep pow and they can run anywheres else to.
The Legend 8000s rule any snow conditions though. Except for the deepest pow days.
Colossus178, skiing the way you explained above will suit the 8000s fine. The stiffness of the ski particularly in the tail allows you to pull out after hard backseat landings of big drops. I love the confidence this ski brings with it. When I set the edges in hairy situations I know it's going to hold and it's time to focus on my balance and not letting the ski run out on me. Love these babies! Saved me a few times. Fun ski and great choice!! You will be pleased.
post #7 of 18
I have also been looking at some legend 8000 and have discovered that 2006 legend 8000 have 2 different models. The 8000 red that is the same as last year and the 8000 fiber that apparently has a softer flex and is more suited to touring than the red. They also both have the binding position 1.5 cm back, but thats another story! See www.dynastar.fr and try the product selector, if you just rate yourself good it suggests the fiber, (and 4800) if expert then also red is suggested.
post #8 of 18
huckingfellers, how did you tune them? 1/3?
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
Carroz: I am sorry, I should of stated right away I am talking about the 05 Legend 8000 (116/81/102). The 06 8000 RED model is the same as I have except for underfoot is 2mm narrower then the 05 model. The 06 model is much pointier on top by the looks of that picture than the 05 to. I use the rossi 140 power pivot heel bindings with lifter on them.

ssh: I always keep my edges tuned at 0.5 base and 2.0 edge. Works good and feels smooth for me.
post #10 of 18
I have been unable to find any information indicating that the 05 and 06 models differ except for the fiber finish topping the 06 model. Has anyone substantial "proof" of any differences?? The dynastar website doesn't state anything as far as I can see.
post #11 of 18
Colossus178

You may be surprised by the AC4. I big buddy of mine, 6ft 260lbs is on them in 177cm. He used to never do bumps. 3 weeks ago we got him into some natural bumps at Okemo. When we finished the run he said, "that was fun".

IMO the Top Fuels will be to stiff for anything but high speed run's.

If things go right, I'll be on my AC4's this weekend.
post #12 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by razorface
I have been unable to find any information indicating that the 05 and 06 models differ except for the fiber finish topping the 06 model. Has anyone substantial "proof" of any differences?? The dynastar website doesn't state anything as far as I can see.
All the proof I have is what i was told by a shop, that they were only stocking the fibre as it was lighter/softer and more suited to touring. However another shop indicated there was no difference? What does suggest that there is a difference is the product selector on Dynastars web site, why would it suggest 4800 or 8000 fibre for good skiers but 8000 fibre or 8000 red for expert? The tech specs don't indicate there is a difference however...is there a dynastar rep who could tell all?
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
The 06 8000 Reds are 79 underfoot according to the website I loooked at them on. I know for a fact the 05 8000, same model pretty much as the 06 Red, is 81 underfoot. It is right here in front of me and I threw my calipers on them and they measure just a sliver under 81 "underfoot". Not much to talk about with that minimal difference.
post #14 of 18
Hey, I ride the 8800 in 188cm as my everyday ski and am 5'10 200lbs. I don't think I really quailfy as a heavier rider (thinking of someone 6'4 240) but for my size they work great and are stable as I've posted in other threads. Marmot has written an excellent review of the 8800 and I fully agree with his post, just chiming in that for the 200lbs range, its a great ski, I suggest trying the 188 as it is pretty centre mounted.
post #15 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by gramboh
Hey, I ride the 8800 in 188cm as my everyday ski and am 5'10 200lbs. I don't think I really quailfy as a heavier rider (thinking of someone 6'4 240) but for my size they work great and are stable as I've posted in other threads. Marmot has written an excellent review of the 8800 and I fully agree with his post, just chiming in that for the 200lbs range, its a great ski, I suggest trying the 188 as it is pretty centre mounted.
Thanks for your post. I was hesitant to comment on this factor as the ski just feels so light and airy I just figured it worked well for me cause I was light and if more weight and force was applied to it perhaps it would wash out more.

We have 200 do we see 220?, 220-220-220..........
post #16 of 18
6' 4"/220lb lurker checking in:

I have about 6 days in on the 05/06 184 8000's (Fiber) in a variety of conditions. As stated above, great edge grip, very good in bumps, likes quick edge sets, but have not found it to be particularly stable at speed (at least with my weight), it seems to have a fairly soft tip. Also not a great crud buster at speed. Every ski seems to have a speed/turn shape that it is most comfortable with, for me, the 8000 likes short turns at medium speeds. I normally ski 20-30% faster than my wife, when I'm on the 8000's we are side by side. When doing long/fast turns on the 8000, what seems to work best for me is to feather the edge a bit, then do a quick set at the end of the turn vs. keeping a lot of pressure on the edge throughout the whole turn, they seem to like a light touch. As a reference, I've found to following skis to have more stability at speed, 188 Axis XP, 188 Axis X Pro, 186 Big Stix 84, 185 B3, 181 Recon (not much more stable), 184 AC4 and 184/191 Mantra's. On the other hand, the 8000's are better at bumps and quick fall line turns.

The 8000's have a slight kicker on the tail, and a medium rise on the tip, when I compared the contact area on the 188 Axis XP to the 184 8000, the XP was 9-10cm longer. For me, the 8000 skis a bit shorter than it's measured length.

I think it's a great ski, and I'm probably going to hang on to it. One of the local resorts (Eldora) has a lot of tight trees and step/scraped bumps, which is where the ski shines. Will bring something longer/stiffer to the other CO & Utah resorts.

As always, YMMV.

Regarding the Red/Fiber question, the ski shops & info I've seen on the web (all very reliabel sources indicate they are the same ski, just different graphics. Would also like to find out the answer to this question.

Eric
post #17 of 18
6'4"-250

I own the 8000 in 184 and the 8800 in 188. They're plenty stiff for me.
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach13
6'4"-250

I own the 8000 in 184 and the 8800 in 188. They're plenty stiff for me.
Plenty stiff for me too. I have not had any problems with a speed limit on these skis either. They stay completely stable for me at any speed. I had these skis on the expert chutes at Jackson Hole and had no instability problems with the high speed runouts.
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