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Volkl AC3 or Volkl AC4

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I recently found this forum and need some help in deciding between the Volkl AC3 or AC4. Some background information about myself:
  • Age 40, 6' 3", weight approximately 215.
  • Level 8 skier that enjoys skiing bumps, bowls, and groomed runs.
  • Primarily ski in Colorado
  • Currently skiing on Volkl P40s
Any thoughts on what length of ski I should get would be appreciated as well.

Thanks again!!!

Soonerskier
post #2 of 23
Hi SS and welcome,

Both the AC3 and AC4 are good choices. The AC3 will perform better at lower speeds on piste. The AC4 is better at higher speeds and off-piste. The AC4 is a good match for your size, also. Consider a 177cm size in either.

But why not demo several good skis?

Atomic B5
Dynastar Legend 8000
Nordica Hot Rod Modified
Rossignol Bandit B2
Volkl Allstar

Cheers,

Michael
post #3 of 23

Help with buying a pair of AC4's

Hi Michael, (and anyone else who has info. on this ski..) AC4

I too am looking at the AC4

I am 6' 200lbs..level 8 as well...39 years old. (Already have a pair of supersport 5 stars which I love..for groomers...so staying away from the AC3)

Have you or anyone found it to be hard work...(the AC4)??? I have read up on the mag's...what I choose to believe anyway...and they get really high marks,,,,except some comments on them possibly being better for bigger skiers...

Are they dogs at slower..smaller radius turns in crud perhaps?? I currently ski a pair of Pocket Rockets which are great for pow...looking to maybe replace them with the AC4's and noticed they both have similar sidecuts (17ish) in the 177 AC4 and 175 PR, which I love...for smaller radius turns..

Thanks in advance...considering them...would love some advise from those who have skied the ac4
post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 

What Is The Best All Around Ski

Thanks for the replies. If you could only have one ski, which do recommend? I am now leaning between the Volkl AC4 and Rossignol B2. I wish I could demo all the suggestions but will only be able to demo a couple when I ski at Copper Mountain in a couple of weeks.

Thanks for all the input.

Sooner Skier
post #5 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by soonerskier
Thanks for the replies. If you could only have one ski, which do recommend?
Sooner Skier
The good news is that they are all good skis. I would stick to the Volkls since you know the product and seem to be satisfied. the Atomic Metron has a very deep sidecut and will be very "turn-ey"; the Dynastar and Rossignol are different feel than the German & Austrian skis. I would also consider the Volkl Allstar; It's not a deep snow ski but it covers the range from ice to crud very well. You can always rent a deep snow ski if conditions require.

Michael
post #6 of 23
Welcome to EpicSki, soonerskier!

I ski out of Copper, so when you head out, drop a PM if you'd like to hook up for some turns...

If you lean towards off-piste, go to the AC4. If on-piste/off-piste mix, the AC3. While others rave about the AC4, I did not find it to be very effective on hardpack here in Colorado. Review here.
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks Michael and Rick for the info. Don't know why but I have always been loyal to skiing on Volkls and have never been disappointed which also goes the same with skiing at Copper Mountain every year.

I talked to Scott at Christy Sports and they should be able to hook me up with demoing the AC4 and the AC3. I enjoy skiing off-piste but also need to be able to ski the groomed runs with my two daughters who have now been skiing for three years.

I would love to hit Copper on a day with great powder and take the snowcat up the backside of the mountain for some great off-piste skiing. However, when you live in Oklahoma you are just happy to be skiing when you come to Colorado and take what you can get!! Rick, I will drop you a note when I hit the slopes at Copper!

Thanks again for the info and look forward to trying out the AC3s and AC4s. Sounds like now I need to lean more torwards the AC3s. I wish I could afford them both so I would not have to make up my mind!!

Soonerskier
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by soonerskier
Thanks for the replies. If you could only have one ski, which do recommend? I am now leaning between the Volkl AC4 and Rossignol B2. I wish I could demo all the suggestions but will only be able to demo a couple when I ski at Copper Mountain in a couple of weeks.
There are a number of exceptional skis that can be your "one ski quiver" if you'd like. I ski the Atomic Metron:B5 (you might also consider the M:11) for this purpose, and I think that the Nordica Hot Rod series can also provide this (especially the Top Fuel and Nitrous). If you like the Rossi feel, you may also want to consider the Z9. For Heads, you could consider the Supershape.
post #9 of 23
Soonerskier,

Back in November, I tried the AC4, the Hot Rod Nitrous, Dynastar 8000, Metron B5 and Head IM77 back to back.(all in 170/171 except the Dynastar in 178) . This was on East coast early season snow. The AC4 was the stand out for me from all these skis and I thought the hard snow grip was excellent for a ski this width. Will seriously consider it as an all round ski to supplement my race skis. I had previously been sceptical that a ski that width would cut it as a regular ski on the east coast but now I would have absolutely no worries.

My stats. 51y, 170#, 5'8", skiing since '68

Incidentally, the skis that disappointed me most were the Nordicas and the Head 77 (surprising because I really liked the old monster 75). The Nordicas felt rather lifeless but, given the good press they have got everywhere else, I will need to try them again. It was the end of the day when I skied them and my legs were probably not working as well as earlier. Also the 8000 really surprised me, an excellent ski, felt completely different from what I expected.
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 

Rossi Z9 or Volkl AC3

Thanks again for the info.

Ssh (or anyone else with an opinion) between the Rossi Z9 and Volkl AC3, which is your preference. Again, I primarily ski at Copper Mountain and like to ski both the front and backside of the mountain.

Also from researching, I know that I do not want a ski bigger than 177s for my size (6'3" , 215, age 40, level 8). Should I consider the 170s or stick to the 177s.

Thanks again for all the input. It has been extremely helpful in selecting which two skis to demo and select the best one to buy.

Soonerskier
post #11 of 23
The AC3 and Z9 are very different skis. The AC3 is a "Volkl" feel, snappy, wood-core feel. The Z9 is a very forgiving but effective super-sidecut ski. It is "calmer" but extremely versatile.

The choice between those two will come down to personal preference. Some folks will love the Volkl, while others prefer the Rossi. You will not go wrong with either.
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
What is your recommendation on size, 170 or 177s. Obviously, I loose a bit of my agressiveness each year as I am in my early 40s.

Thanks
post #13 of 23
How long are your P40s?

I'd probably recommend 177 in the AC3 without seeing you ski, given your physical characteristics. You might be ok on the 170 in the Z9, but the 176 would probably be more stable in all conditions.
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
The P40s are 184.
post #15 of 23
Probably the 177 or 176, then.
post #16 of 23

AC3 or AC4

I am also a level 8-9 skier, 6', 225 lbs and purchased both 175cm Volkl Allstars and 177cm Volkl AC4's this season. I posted a review on the Gear Review Forum: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=33760.

Since that review I have an additional 7 days (Killington, Stowe, Jay Peak) in heavy/spring snow conditions, freshly groomed and hard pack/icy trails. The impressions in my review are still valid but I have a greater appreciation for the AC4's working well in almost everything. The Allstars excel in hard pack/icy conditions and also worked well in soft - medimum firm bumps. In heavy snow gun snow and wet (after rain) snow the AC4's were definately the ski to be on. If the bumps are soft, the AC4's also worked well, although not as quick as the Allstars.

For the AC4, the 177cm is a good choice. For the Allstars, while I like the quick turns I can make with a 175 length, I would probably prefer a 182 for more stability at speed. I also have a pair of Volkl 5 Stars (182cm) and find them to be a more forgiving, softer ski then the Allstars. But, having skied both, I prefer the Allstars.

If I had to recommend only one ski, it would be 177cm AC4's. If you can, demo, including some of the other skies recommended on this thread.

Good Luck - Charlie
post #17 of 23
Hi all,

Long time lurker, first post here. Have searched the threads and have similar dilemma. Am a Volkl man coming off Vertigo Motions 170's. Great skis, but want to modernize/upgrade.

Stats: 42 y/o, 5'8" 163#, Level 8-9 ability. Primarily Vermont skier (UVM grad) although a couple of trips West.

I ski it all: cruisers with the kids, bumps, steeps, chutes, etc. Typically quick but controlled turns mostly on-piste.

My quandaries: AC3 or AC4? What size: 163 or 170?

Appreciate any and all advice.

-Camy
post #18 of 23
I am in exactly the same boat with 170cm G3's. Towards the end of last year I tried several wide-bodies (AC4, B5, some others) all over Aspen area. Nice, but then went back to the old familiar G3's. There was absolutely nothing wrong with them and they pretty much outperformed the fatties on their own turf. Why? Because at the time the conditions were a bit more "eastern" with windblown powder rather than fluff. The tip width of a fatty is a problem in windblown, where the more modest G3 cut thru it. Therefore, because eastern is more "windblown" than "fluff", I'm going to give the AC3 a shot.

But a well tuned, nicely waxed G3 is still a honey.
post #19 of 23
I appreciate your input and will probably have to demo.
Interestingly, @ 170 the radius of the AC4 is 16.1 while the AC3 is 16.7.
(@163 AC4=14.4, AC3=15.1). What length are you thinking?
post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by soonerskier View Post
The P40s are 184.
I would go for AC4 in a longer length than 177.

I tried them at 180 something and liked them. You are at least a stone heavier than me as well.

I also had Dynastar Legend 8000 in 184 and enjoyed them( preferred them to the AC4 to be honest)
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by ok-cami View Post
Hi all,

Long time lurker, first post here. Have searched the threads and have similar dilemma. Am a Volkl man coming off Vertigo Motions 170's. Great skis, but want to modernize/upgrade.

Stats: 42 y/o, 5'8" 163#, Level 8-9 ability. Primarily Vermont skier (UVM grad) although a couple of trips West.

I ski it all: cruisers with the kids, bumps, steeps, chutes, etc. Typically quick but controlled turns mostly on-piste.

My quandaries: AC3 or AC4? What size: 163 or 170?

Appreciate any and all advice.

-Camy
I would say the AC4 because of teh couple of trips west. But whatever you decide, these skis are getting sold out. I would also say the 170 over the 163.
post #22 of 23
To me, this is obvious. You're talking about Colorado, after all, which we don't visit for its groomed. The AC4 gives you sufficient float for backside adventures, handles crud beautifully, but can still carve like a fat Allstar. For whatever small increment you gain in quickness by going to a mid-70's ski, including the AC3, you lose a lot of float and some crud busting ability. The only other ski I'd suggest, since you mentioned the B-2, is the B-3. More guts than the B-2, floats pow better than the AC4, as good in the crud, but not nearly as entertaining on groomed. Easier to ski slow.

Sizes: AC4, 170 for OK-Cami, 177 for soonerskier. B-3 in 176 or 182.
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