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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I've searched the site for info on twin tips but thought I'd post a specific question.

Anyone ski bumps at Mary Jane? I am pondering a bump specific ski for runs off Challenger, Outhouse, Frenchman, etc.

I am on a versatile older all mtn ski as my all around front sider: fischer alltrax 74 @ 183cm. I'm thinking of replacing it with the B2 in 174 (really like that ski) and with a twin tip for the steep tight bumps. And I've got a Fischer Big Stix 84 for deeper powder days.

There are some deals on used stuff like the 1080 and Rossi Scratch FS. I plan to demo the Foil as well as the Scratch.

I am aggressive, 5'9" and weigh, not sure, around 185.

What length? is 171 too short? Not sure how these skis are measured.

Thanks
post #2 of 16
I love riding Jane's bumps .

But really, why are you considering a twin tip for bump skiing? Twins make sense to me for riding switch and for deep snow (where the turned up tail helps the tails release). I honestly think a twin tip would be problematic for me in the bumps as I ski with a much narrower stance and I think the tails would be getting hung up on each other on every turn. You don't see twin tips on pro-level bump skis - and that's probably why.

All you need in a good bump ski is something that doesn't have too radical of a sidecut and a forgiving flex (if you're having balance problems in the bumps). Strong mogul skiers can take anything through the bumps with style. When it comes to mogul skiing I truly believe that 9 times out of 10 it's the "indian not the arrow" situation.

Many posts on this board seem to imply that "if I only had the right ski I could finally do well in the bumps" - that's a pile of you know what.
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Good question: why am I considering a twin tip?

Cuz I see them all over the mtn, in bumps - lots of 1080's - as well as in the park and used by telemarkers.

I am open to new stuff. Overheard a local shop guy saying he's been on them for the past 4 years. I figure I ought to check it out myself.

I can ski the skis I have now but I think it would be more fun and easier on my knees etc to have a softer ski.

Kind of same story as to why I no longer ski my 203 Rossi 4s or 198 Rossi vipers. Wider, shorter, turnier.

I'll report back my take on what I demo this weekend. May be the B2 vs the Foil. I'm almost sold on the B2 as a super versatile everyday all around ski.
post #4 of 16
I use twins in the bumps and they are fine but that might be because the bumps around here are long and soft. Twins are great for sliding your skis around in moguls and a blast in crud piles. You can also use them using more traditional mogul techniques but if the moguls are hard you might want to look into another type of ski since most twintips are not designed to be good on ice. If the moguls are tight and hard I take out my ski cross skis.
post #5 of 16
I ski the Jane all the time and have been for the last 20 years. I currently like Dynastar 8000s in a 172cm length (8800s in 178cm for powder days). I am 5'11" and 163lbs and ski the runs you describe frequently. The 8000s are even good in the tight bumps at the bottom of Gandy Dancer. Both skis are very good in the trees (for example, right of Outhouse, left of Drunken Frenchman, and to the right of Brakeman). The 8000s also carve well on harder snow (twin tips might not be as versitile unless you spend time in the parks). Years ago I too skied Rossi 4s in 203cm (don't know how I did) at the Jane. On powder days I also see a lot of Salomon Pocket Rockets. A guy at a local shop was pushing Dynastar Troublemakers (last years are available cheap) as a good twin tip for the Jane that also rode well all mountain. By the way I demoed the Foil (162cm) at Loveland and thought it was good in soft bumps.
post #6 of 16
We ski MJ more than anywhere else. My 11 y.o. skis the bumps very well with his new (but, older model) Dynastar Concept twintips. I hesitated to get him the twintips, since I never care to go into the Park, but he likes 'em and he just keeps getting better and better in the bumps.

I even mounted 'em on the line, which is pretty far forward compared to a conventional ski mounting position. Regardless, after a few runs to adapt, he was diggin' 'em and near zipper lining Drunken Frenchman.

All-in-all, I think the twintips make a respectable all-mountain ski. As someone above mentioned, it's really the skier, not the ski that matters most.

AM.
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 

skier not the ski

well thanks folks, since it's not the ski but the skier I decided to loot my parents' garage and found a pair of 210 all wood nordic skis from the early 70's. They are black and very cool, called Silent Spiders. I ripped off the nordic three pins and nailed the skis to the bottoms of my boots. Wow. Now I truly do something on them bumps.

Seriously, I went in to the Winter Park Sports Shop, where I was turned on to Fischers some years ago, and wound up demoing the Scott Aztec Pro in 175. similar to the B2 but smidge wider and sharper turning radius. Plus, it's built by Fischer and my Fischers, in my opinion, seem much better built than Rossis and have held up very well over the years I have been skiing them all over WP/Mary Jane.

Price is less than a new B2 as well. I do like the B2 but...

I'll post a review when I get the time.
post #8 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler
I love riding Jane's bumps .
Must.... resist..... making... Janesdad jokes......



If you're really looking for a bump specific ski, almost every ski manufacturer has them these days, but they're pretty hard to find. Know one guy who likes the K2 Cabrawlers and says they're super lively, but that's all I've heard of any of them. Check out the Salomon 1080 mogul, the Rossi Scratch Mogul, K2 Cabrawler, and I'mpretty sure Dynastar has a Troublemaker for bumps.
post #9 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Attacking Mid
We ski MJ more than anywhere else. My 11 y.o. skis the bumps very well with his new (but, older model) Dynastar Concept twintips. I hesitated to get him the twintips, since I never care to go into the Park, but he likes 'em and he just keeps getting better and better in the bumps.

I even mounted 'em on the line, which is pretty far forward compared to a conventional ski mounting position. Regardless, after a few runs to adapt, he was diggin' 'em and near zipper lining Drunken Frenchman.

All-in-all, I think the twintips make a respectable all-mountain ski. As someone above mentioned, it's really the skier, not the ski that matters most.

AM.
I couldn't agree more. I'm on my second pair of older Dynastar Concepts / Candide Twins. I used to run bumps semi-competitively on full blown mogul skis (K2 Winterheat, Fischer Lunars) and have sinced tossed those in favor of the Dynastars. The Concepts are relatively narrow waisted (103-72-95) and can hold their own against mogul skis without being completely worthless outside of the bumps. I also have them mounted on the line.

-T
post #10 of 16
The Dynastar is the Twister.
post #11 of 16

Foil Ski Review for AstroChimp

Hello Astro Chimp,

Foil ski by Salomon. In a quick phrase...stay away from it. Your at 185lbs...( I am 195lbs, level 8-9 skier...32 years skiing) I demo'd it last year....in the largest size avail....I blieve it was a 182. Way too squirrely....Really only a park ski for kids under 160lbs...is what I came away with, after skiing two days on it in Mammoth on a variety of terrain.

Of course if you keep it only in the Park and hit it at a competetive level...it might be enough...but I doubt it....


The ski made my 175 Pocket Rocket feel like a GS super stiff race ski...and we all know how soft the P. Rocket is!




Quote:
Originally Posted by astrochimp
I've searched the site for info on twin tips but thought I'd post a specific question.

Anyone ski bumps at Mary Jane? I am pondering a bump specific ski for runs off Challenger, Outhouse, Frenchman, etc.

I am on a versatile older all mtn ski as my all around front sider: fischer alltrax 74 @ 183cm. I'm thinking of replacing it with the B2 in 174 (really like that ski) and with a twin tip for the steep tight bumps. And I've got a Fischer Big Stix 84 for deeper powder days.

There are some deals on used stuff like the 1080 and Rossi Scratch FS. I plan to demo the Foil as well as the Scratch.

I am aggressive, 5'9" and weigh, not sure, around 185.

What length? is 171 too short? Not sure how these skis are measured.

Thanks
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks Danimal et al

I know I can get a soft bump oriented ski like a Scratch fs or 1080 or others mentioned, but I want a ski to bang around the entire mtn, from groomed to steep bumps. More or less an everyday, all snow, all terrain ski that has the sidecut to turn easily which puts less stress on my repaired meniscus.

I think I have it focused down to the Scott Aztec Pro which seems to do all things well and is well built (by Fischer). It's not been sold in the US till this year so finding out about it is hard but a local shop in Winter Park sells them. I demoed them once and plan to try them again this weekend before I drop the coin.

Most likely going to mount them with Look PX12 binders.
post #13 of 16
AstroChimp, WP/Mary Jane is my home mountain too. So when I read reviews on this board, I always have Jane in mind. Below are the skis that I'm curious about, considering that the challenge for us Jane skiers is to find a ski that rips in the bumps but is also versatile enough to perform on the rest of the mountain.

If you have your heart set on twin-tips:
* Volkl Karma
* Head Mojo 90

The rest on my list (so far -- the list keeps growing):
* Dynastar Legend 8000
* Volkl AC4
* Elan 777

A few thoughts:

* I've recently seen slightly used Legend 8000s (172s-midfat) on this board for $450 and Pocket Rockets (175s-pow/twin-tip) for $350 -- bindings included! Combined, that might not be too far off from what you'll pay for new boards. My point here is that for those of us that want a ski that does everything and who don't need the latest and greatest, if we consider "used" we might get 2 pairs of skis for the price of 1.

* For all the praise the Volkl Mantra gets, I think it might be too wide in the MJ bumps

* I think Christy's in WP demos Volkls

* Breeze Rentals (affiliated w/ the on-mountain shops at WP and MJ) sells their fleet at the end of the year. Again, if you consider the "used" route, you could score Salomon's or Rossi's from them.
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 

bought the Scott Aztec Pro

Well,

I was pointed toward the Scott Aztec Pro at WP Sports and favored it over the B2. I bought a pair and had them mounted with Look PX20 binders.

I want an all mtn ski that can ski bumps. And by bumps I mean some steep straight tight bumps but also in and out of trees and on the double fall line stuff, say, from Iron Horse down toward Challenger, which would be a mix of bump runs, trees, lift lines, with a double fall line thrown in.

Plus, they float well and turn beautifully and I am told are going to be more durable than the Rossignol.

I got the binders at Boulder Ski Deals. I have been using the Look/Rossi turntables for years. Both were on sale but I went with the Look cuz it has some composite and is red. What the hell, I figure they are more or less the same cept for the cosmetics.

I'll be on them three days this weekend and then will finally get a proper review of the Scott Aztec Pro posted.

hope this link to the Scott site works.

http://www.scottusa.com/product.php?UID=7275

Later!
post #15 of 16
I'd second the legend 8000s. Very forgiving in bumps for an all-mtn ski; quick.

I thought the 177 Mantras I demo'd this year performed better than PR's I demo'd last year.
post #16 of 16
AstroChimp, judging by the dimensions of the Aztec Pro, looks like you found the right ski -- and a cool looking ski as well I'll be skiing the Jane too this weekend. If I see those Aztec graphics in the lift line, I'll be sure to say, "Whatup, Chimp. How are the new boards?" If I don't bump into you in the bumps, though, please post a follow-up post of your impressions.

Thanks!
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