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Risers or a wide board?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I am getting a Burton Fish for deep powder days and another board for freestyle, hard packed snow/groomed runs. I may need risers for the Fish but i would only be taking it out on the big powder days.

I am about 6'1, 71kg not including my ski clothes, random crap in my pockets and a smallish camelback backpack and i have size 13 boots. Some people have said i am too light for a lot of the wide boards such as the Never Summer Legacy which i had my eye on.

So i want a board that really edges well and is responsive on hard packed/groomed snow but is also good for freestyle (i am just getting into that though). I have never seen risers before and have no idea about them so is it possible for me with size 13 boots ride a normal width board?

So given all that what is your advice? Should i get risers or a a wide board?

Thanks.
post #2 of 11
get very high risers for the fish. the fish is meant for a size 9 boot. i had 1cm riser for size 11, that worked but wasn't great.

in general, you will need both risers and a wide baord foor size 13 boots. a 26.5 ish board with risers will probably be a good compromise.

btw i am your weight and enjoyed a burton canyon 163 very much. be aware of 2 things: some boards get stiffer the longer (borton) and a wider board will have the float of a longer narrower one.
post #3 of 11

Risers or wide?

ASB,

Check out the Volkl Pulse and/or Squad Prime Wide. www.volkl.com. The Pulse is a wide board but is the same stiffness as a model I've ridden before (Wall Pro). I think the waist width for a '58 is 265 and 270 for a '62. Some of Volkl's freestyle boards are made in wider widths and again don't change in the stiffness category. I'm on a Jibster '58 for rail and park stuff. It's width is 263 (wouldn't be good for hard core carving though). The Squad Prime (wide) is a twin freestlye board with a width of 267 for a '59 and 269 for a '62. This board will probably be a little lighter than the Pulse and is a true twin shape. Both the Pulse and Prime Wide would serve well in freestyle and all mountain pursuits. I used to ride Palmer 16mm risers on my Volkl Wall Pro '60 with a width of 258 (size 9.5 boots, though) and carving with high edge angles was no problem. I do ride duck so highback clearance is more of a challenge than with a more directional stance. Also there's no rule to using the risers on a wider board for extra clearance. Hope some of this info is helpful.
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys

Does anyone know whether the Never Summer Legacy would be ok for freestyle? After my current board fell apart after about 22 days on the snow (over 2 years though), Never Summer's 3 year warranty is very attractive. I heard it is a bit on the heavy side and it is quite stiff. I am just getting into snowboarding really so is a less stiff board better for freestyle? Is a less stiff board more forgiving when trying to land jumps?
post #5 of 11

Freestyle

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Originally Posted by Aussie_Ski_Bum
I heard it is a bit on the heavy side and it is quite stiff. I am just getting into snowboarding really so is a less stiff board better for freestyle? Is a less stiff board more forgiving when trying to land jumps?
I personally prefer a stiffer board for all aspects of riding, but that's not necessarily the norm. Lots of people prefer a softer board for jibbing and such. Stiffness helps in the pipe as far as edge hold on icy walls goes and extra pop for the airs (also on kickers). The stiffer board though is not as forgiving on landings (and takeoffs). The softer board is more forgiving all around.
post #6 of 11

Wide works better for me

I too have size 13 feet and have tried a bunch of different things to minimize overhang and boot-out. I haven't had good results with risers on 'standard' waist width boards as my boots and bindings still overhang quite a bit, creating problems when tilting the board high on edge or when riding steep slopes or bumps. I've also found that overhang significantly diminishes performance in soft snow, powder, and slush as overhanging boots and bindings create additional resistance as they drag through the snow on either side of the board. Perhaps not so big of an issue if you ride featherlight powder, but increasingly so as ths snow becomes denser and wetter.

I've had much better success riding wide boards--sometimes with risers as well. The ones I like best are the Donek Sasquatch (at 28 cm the widest high perfomance wide board I've yet found), and the Burton Baron and Canyon. Obviously, the best way to determine if a wide board would work for you would be to demo. As an added incentive, most shops will let you apply the demo proce to the price of a board you purchase.

One more thing would be to consider downsizing your boots if possible. I can comfortably ride a full size smaller than my street shoe size and many other bigfooted riders I know do the same.



Hope this helps. I'd be interested to hear how the fish works for you.

Cheers,
B-2
post #7 of 11
B-2,
Did you have any issues transitioning to the 'squatch? I got one yesterday and really struggled with it. I have size 15 feet and have gotten used to riding high angles in softies. I'll try again today, but I was already to hang the thing up! That being said, the performance of the board was amazing. I think it is just the width that bothered me.
post #8 of 11

Squatch notes

Phil,

No probs transitioning to the squatch, but it might be because I usually ride it on soft snow. Because it's wider than most wide boards I definitely feel additional torque trying to pull it flat when cranking arcs on hard snow, making a quick stop, or when stinging the edge at speed on hard bumps. In these situations it can feel a bit like riding a big barn door.

FWIW, I feel the same increased torque when using risers. A riser can provide additional leverage to tilt the board through the longer moment arm, but it seems to me the reverse is also true: it can magnify the external forces trying to pull the board flat when blasting high speed turns on hard snow through that same longer moment arm.

It reminds me of the early aviators who used to start their biplanes by pulling on the prop. Most times, they were able to pull it through ther compression cycle and start their engine; some times they couldn't, and the prop would pull back violently, sending them flying--but not in the way they originally intended. I feel that way when trying to hang on to a high speed arc on hard snow on a wide board--or bindings w/ risers. Sometimes it feel like the additional leverage wants to pitch me over the high side.

At least that's what I feel. In those situations a narrower board with hard boots/high stance angles works better for me.



Seems like it does for you, too.
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys. I have just one more question...

What do they mean by damp? The Never Summer Legacy has dampness of 6 and stiffnes of 8 but i have no idea what that means. See here www.neversummer.com/legacy.php
post #10 of 11
In physics, damp means to decrease the amplitude of an oscillating system. Dampeners help reduce vibration as you ride ice and hard snow at speed.

This is similar to the difference between a cadillac and a performance sports car. The suspension of the sports car is tuned so you can literally feel every pebble on the road; the caddy has a damp, plush ride that allows you to perform circumcisions in the rear seat. A damp board will feel stable and sturdy at speed, and may have better edge hold. A less damp board would be a bit more springy and lively, but you'll feel more of the surface irregularities you ride over.



Best bet, of course, would be to demo. Are you in Oz--or do you winter in the N. Hemisphere?
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks a lot. I have been in Switzerland/Austria but now i am heading to the states for about 40 days of riding in the West. I am heading to Vail/Beaver Creek, Snowbird/Solitude/Brighton, Jackson Hole, Grand Targhee, Heavenly, Kirkwood and Sierra so i should need a powder board.

At the moment i am unsure whether i want to buy a 160cm Burton Fish with risers and then a 159cm Never Summer Legacy for the small or non powder days or just a 169cm Never Summer Titan TX for everything. The second option is cheaper but i am not sure whether i would be heavy enough to handle that board and it wouldn't be very good for freestyle.

I will demo but i don't know whether i really want to demo all 3 before i decide. Hmmm
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