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Stuck with 177 Mantra's...what to expect?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hello,

My local shop screwed up my 180cm 4frnt MSP's...I loved the ski and found it alot of fun...they could not get me this ski however and are replacing it with a 177 Volkl Mantra...I am 5'11" and go about 185 lbs....EVERYTHING I read says 184cm is the length to go with...are these 177's going to suck? I am having them mounted 1cm back (hopefully if they do it right)....are they going to be squirrly? The 4frnt's were twin tips so I imagine they skied shorter than 180cm....thanks...and yes I read all the threads
post #2 of 17
I doubt that the 177 Mantra will be too squirrely however, it won't have the power and stability of the MSP. Then again, the MSP is in pretty rare air in that regard.

SJ
post #3 of 17
Considering Volkls tend to have their center mark further back than most skis, even in the V-Ski line, I would question moving the binding back any further. As for stability, I'm your height and weigh just a few pounds less & my main ski is a pair of 177cm Nordica Beasts. I still haven't found their upper speed limit. The Mantra is a tad wider & stiffer than my Beasts so I doubt you'll have any problems with stability.
post #4 of 17
FWIW, I'd call 4frnt and work it so your shop can get those for you. I would not, personally, accept anything but a replacement if I really loved a ski.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
I am not going to try and force the shop to replace them with a 4frnt ski. I only paid 400 for them as they were a left over from the prior year...if I don't like the Mantra's I am sure I can sell them on ebay for a decent price...everything I have read says to mount the Mantra 184's 1.5cm back....I figure I would have the 177's mounted 1cm back...this is all so hard to figure out...adding to the confusion is that the first Mantra's were miss marked...how am I suppose to figure all this out??

The main reason I am not pushing the shop to get me an MSP is the Mantra's are more expensive skis and the shop just replaced a pair of boots for me that I did not like...they have been to nice so far...say what you will but I am happy with the Mantra

1 cm is so small of a difference I doubt I will even notice on hard pack...and these are mainly powder skis which the 1cm back will help
post #6 of 17
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S Jim....reading the other threads...I am suprised to hear you praise the MSP's...I was under the impression you LOVED your Mantra's.....I was very pleasantly supprised by the MSP's by the way and would suggest them to anyone....what a great ski!!
post #7 of 17
gretch, if you're happy, it's all good.
post #8 of 17
why not do this: leave the skis unmounted and call around and find a shop that will allow you to swap them for the 184's (offer to have them do the binding mount, an initial tune and wax as 'compensation')

most will be happy to do it I would guess, that assumes that they ahve any 184's left

another option is to get in touch with the local Volkl rep and have him/her swap them out
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Well there are no other shops around...I live in PA hence the reasoning why they do not have any powder skis to replace mine...I think the Mantra's were just something they special ordered and the person backed out or something...who knows...why do I need a powder ski in PA you ask? Well the waisted deep powder at Vail on 12/20 required it...hopefully the week at Alta in March will as well
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by gretch6364
S Jim....reading the other threads...I am suprised to hear you praise the MSP's...I was under the impression you LOVED your Mantra's.....I was very pleasantly supprised by the MSP's by the way and would suggest them to anyone....what a great ski!!
I don't own a Mantra. I do however, like them very much. I also like but don't own the MSP. It's a very different ski than the Mantra. FWIW, my primary powder ski for this year is a Sugar Daddy 183. I chose it over the Mantra b/c my personal tastes run more toward a straighter ski with less shape for deeper snow (especially crud).

SJ
post #11 of 17
I weigh a little less than you and went w/ the 177 b/c of the radius - I view this as a positive for trees & tight spots. I found it remarkable the edge they held on firm snow even w/ long radius turns. If I remember correctly they are at 23.2 for 177. Compare to Atomic FIS GS 11 @ 24 degrees. I don't think the sidecut is an issue for stability. I did find them able to crank respectibel short turns w/ an aggressive stance & knee/shin pressure. I also found them to be quite comfortable @ long radius w/ mid-arch to forward heel weighting.

I did open them up last week, though & I blinked b/4 they did FWIW, but I must not be quite the skier everyone else is around here that seems to complain about stability...

Jeff
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the good info Jeff...I guess we will see
post #13 of 17
gretch, the big (+) with the Mantra is that if you end up not wanting the 177 but instead want the 184, you're not going to have any trouble selling the 177s.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by SierraJim
FWIW, my primary powder ski for this year is a Sugar Daddy 183. I chose it over the Mantra b/c my personal tastes run more toward a straighter ski with less shape for deeper snow (especially crud).
You are a good man Sierra Jim...
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
gretch, the big (+) with the Mantra is that if you end up not wanting the 177 but instead want the 184, you're not going to have any trouble selling the 177s.

I wouldn't get them mounted.....try harder to get a 184 - call online retailers like www.untracked.com and see if they'll swap it out if you pay for shipping

why settle for a ski that's too small?
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
Well I skied the Mantra's yesterday....they are the loudest ski I have ever been on...you can hear the metal resonate the whole time you are skiing....anyhow they worked great...very nice ski and I think the size will be fine...especially for on piste
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by gretch6364
Well I skied the Mantra's yesterday....they are the loudest ski I have ever been on...you can hear the metal resonate the whole time you are skiing....
Funny. I thought the same thing. One of my major skiing faults is that I tend to use a somewhat closed stance & as such the skis occasionally will hit. I found this provides an additional motivation to open the stance up a bit so I don't hear the clankety clank clank of the Mantra.

The Clankety Clank Clank of the Mantra.

I like it.

Jeff
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