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Boots and fractured legs?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hi, Just wondering if wearing old boots would put someone at a greater risk of injury, specifically greater risk of fracturing a leg. The old boots in question are probably 20 years old Lange high end boots (of their time anyway). Note: we're not talking about anything super ancient here, no leather straps, etc...

So anyway, is there a health risk to wearing old boots?

Thanks
post #2 of 16
I'd say that the risk would be that the plastic may become brittle with age and could crack unexpectedly causing a crash. 20 yr is pretty old for boots!
post #3 of 16
Billd, it depends. 20 years old is getting very close to the DIN standard start date. Phil may know, but I'm not sure that those boots will be guaranteed DIN standard. If they're not, that would be a problem.
post #4 of 16
I am not positive! But there were some pretty good ski boots around 20 years ago, noone was worried about getting a broken leg because of boots then, Why now? My opinion I had some Nordica Comps from around 1981, I don't think the boots I have today are any better function or fit!!
post #5 of 16
newer boots: just newer plastic that is not brittle, UV faided, have worn toes and heel, and soft from being flexed for 20 years, warmer liners, smother working buckles, plastic shells that have a density that is made to work with current bindings, lighter weight.

not really much difference....


but if you like then great, keep using them .....
post #6 of 16
mntlion, right on!
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by mntlion
newer boots: just newer plastic that is not brittle, UV faided, have worn toes and heel, and soft from being flexed for 20 years, warmer liners, smother working buckles, plastic shells that have a density that is made to work with current bindings, lighter weight.

not really much difference....


but if you like then great, keep using them .....
I hear you, but what if? you had real nice boots from 1986 (Not Rear entry) That you had purchased for $$$$ fit great and you put 10 days on them that season, them for some reason walked away from skiing for 20 years. So now you are gonna take up sking again, You drag the same boots out of the hall closet try them on, yeas they still fit great!! look good and seem ok? Should you really just write them off as obsolete?
post #8 of 16
This one is a touchy subject with me today. People just seem to be too (Into stuff)!! Saw alot of people the past few days with 5 and 10 year old Real expencive (quality) Ski clothing and gear. These are the people who made an investment in equipment some time ago for that 1 week a year ski vacation. I see people kids kinda looking down there nose @ them?? Well the hell with that, these people can have just as much fun in that gear as they did 7 years ago when they bought it. If it were not for the peer pressure to always be on this years 2,000$ worth of new Sh$% eveyone would be perfectly happy and enjoying the mountain.
post #9 of 16
There definitely is a problem with SOME plastics failing after less than 20 years of life. Nordica particularly has had such troubles.

The thing I'd be more concerned about if skiing old equipment would be the bindings. If it hasn't been used in years, the lubricants could be dried out.
post #10 of 16
I have a set of Lange XLR`s from 1985 which I can still use in a emergency.Take them in for a binding check and if they pass go have fun.Performance wise my new SollyX10`s aren`t any better,they are just more comfortable to wear.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by MTT
I hear you, but what if? you had real nice boots from 1986 (Not Rear entry) That you had purchased for $$$$ fit great and you put 10 days on them that season, them for some reason walked away from skiing for 20 years. So now you are gonna take up sking again, You drag the same boots out of the hall closet try them on, yeas they still fit great!! look good and seem ok? Should you really just write them off as obsolete?
get the bindings and boots tested and see

try on some new boots and see the difference, If you don't find a difference then great use them

But do you really want a 80 pinto with only 6,000 miles on it?
post #12 of 16
I've seen the entire bottom of a boot crack off, including the parts where the tabs hold into the binding. After 20 years you've gotten your money out of the boots, go get some new ones.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by mntlion
But do you really want a 80 pinto with only 6,000 miles on it?
mid 80s high-end langs are closer to an 80 Ferrari than an 80 Pinto.

Those old orange Tii's (I think that's the model) that the Mahre's wore were the best boot on the market at the time, but probably only compare to today's mid-line boots.

My guess is that if the liners haven't dry-rotted, I'd stick them out in the cold for a night, whack 'em on the side of the shell with a 5lb hammer, and if they don't bust into multiple pieces, go for it. Lange's were not known for getting brittle when old, like Nordicas. However, those liners are likley either dry rotted or just plain shot from the age. Modern technology in textiles has made the internal materials a lot better than they were in 80. Of course, you could throw a zip-fit liner in them if the shells and buckles are still okay.
post #14 of 16
A few thoughts, in general agreement:

- Design-wise 1985-ish boots are fine (at least the ones that were good boots then). There haven't been any really significant changes to boot design since then. Actually, I don't thing there's any significant difference between the 1985 top-end Lange race boot and the current Lange plug boot. Color and some hardware is about it. I think they even use the same molds.

- The note about the pre-DIN concern is a good point, though I'm pretty sure 1985 is solidly post-DIN. The reason it would be a concern (if you want back c. another 10 years or so) is that the boot toe and heel lugs (where the bindings hold them) might not be the same shape the bindings expect.

- The plastics may or may not have gone brittle. The fact that some did in that period doesn't mean that they all (or even most) have. As for other materials, my mid-70s boots had leather liners -- you'd be hard-pressed to find anything as good and durable today (the plastics on that particular boot were a different story, unfortunately).

- 1985 vintage skis are another matter.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by JohnH
mid 80s high-end langs are closer to an 80 Ferrari than an 80 Pinto.

Those old orange Tii's (I think that's the model) that the Mahre's wore were the best boot on the market at the time, but probably only compare to today's mid-line boots.

My guess is that if the liners haven't dry-rotted, I'd stick them out in the cold for a night, whack 'em on the side of the shell with a 5lb hammer, and if they don't bust into multiple pieces, go for it. Lange's were not known for getting brittle when old, like Nordicas. However, those liners are likley either dry rotted or just plain shot from the age. Modern technology in textiles has made the internal materials a lot better than they were in 80. Of course, you could throw a zip-fit liner in them if the shells and buckles are still okay.
My XLR`s were the model before the ZR`s. Micro adjustable buckles,shims for forward lean settings,Cant adjustments.Definitely not a Pinto.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
Yeah all these threads pretty much sum up my thoughts on the matter, but i was more worried about the compression of the padding.

these boots aren't mine. I was skiing with an older, experienced guy (averaging 40-50 days per year for the past 50 years) who fractured both of his legs - badly - last weekend on the hill. I was wondering if the older boots could have contributed to the crash. Note that nothing about the breaks signified boot failure nor did it appear that the boots caused the problem. (there were no cracks in teh boot plastic, and nobody from teh ski patrol to the ER docs suggested that boots were the cause)

but still, he's skiing on 2005 skis, bindings and using old boots.

so it just popped into my head to investigate.
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