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video - should this guy be booted off the mountain?

post #1 of 94
Thread Starter 
Follow the link below and click on the trail video at the top of the Summit lift - it is a low res video so should be easy to view. But the question is - is the behaviour shown there acceptable?

http://www.hotham.com.au/index.php?pid=308
post #2 of 94
He skis a little close to some of the folks, but he's skiing very slow on a very easy trail. I don't see anything really wrong with it. Do you?
post #3 of 94
Thread Starter 
He looked like he was going pretty fast to me, there is almost no turning going on at all.
post #4 of 94
Yeah, I viewed the video. I don't see anything I would consider highly dangerous : .

Michael
post #5 of 94
Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiski
He looked like he was going pretty fast to me, there is almost no turning going on at all.
There is also almost no pitch at all. Not going fast.
post #6 of 94
If he's going fast, you don't want to know how I normally ski!

I'm pretty sure he was going very slowly. Perhaps 10-15mph.
post #7 of 94
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
If he's going fast, you don't want to know how I normally ski!

I'm pretty sure he was going very slowly. Perhaps 10-15mph.
I second that comment.
post #8 of 94
He/she passes everyone who is boarding or skiing. If you look at his/her shadow, it looks like he/she has on a helmet cam as the arms are not holding anything at eye level.

On relatively flat ground, just skiing with a helmet cam, why worry?

Oh, some will want flaggers and backup bells and whistles, but this skier isn't doing anything that isn't considered abnormal on a weekend in the East.
post #9 of 94

Video

Makes it look fast. He's fine, I bet he was going pretty slow.
post #10 of 94

Cam // Skier

Ditto, he wasn't going very fast at all. It seems like he got a little closes to a few on their butt boarders to take pictures, not a really good idea but I didn/t see any dangerous moves. The only thing I saw I definitely did not like was they have more snow than up here.
post #11 of 94
He should be booted for skiing too slowly:
post #12 of 94
I think he was going fast, but you cannot tell. Because he/she is wearing a helmet cam, and thus the camera is close to the same ptich as the slope, you cannot determine the gradient of the hill. Also, who ever is skiing passed everyone, and this person was passed by nobody. I cannot say if this person is skiing fast, but they are skiing faster than everyone else.

While I do not think he should get kicked off, a good elbow to the nose as this person went by the father and little child he/she skied past is deserving. The whole trail was wide open at that part, why did he/she have to buzz them so close. He/she ran right over their shadow (maybe 5' at best). This is exactly why my 9yr old daughter and her friends get intimidated; because behavior like this is tolerated. This person is a dick-head in my mind. If he/she is so in control, give others more room and stop buzzing them like they're his/her personal slalom gates.

Just my 2 cents.
post #13 of 94
Actually, I'm pretty sure he was carrying the camera low (about waist-high) and was crouched down in a partial wedge. He was deliberately showing the folks on the slope like Warren Miller used to do.

He was skiing slow! I only ski that slow if I'm helping my kids.
post #14 of 94
I just looked at the video for the Orchard.
It's a helmet cam - yoy can see the shadow of both his hands and poles.
post #15 of 94

Not a helmet cam?

That is a huge pompom to cast a shadow like that. for pompoms!

Reckon he's moving maybe twice as fast as the wedging skier in teal on the left.
post #16 of 94
Skiing and etiquette nazis a little strict down south there kiwi? Or is playing gaper-slalom grounds for pulling tickets in some parts of the world
post #17 of 94
Looks like he is just carrying speed across some flat sections. If he was a good skiier .... "heads up", not much problem; it his arms were flailing and he was "getting lucky" (edge of control), he may be a problem.
post #18 of 94
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
He was deliberately showing the folks on the slope like Warren Miller used to do.
My exact thoughts when I saw this. Those people who are "standing" on the slope are there on purpose. Did anyone notice the wide range of people in the video? Parent with child, snowboarders, a ski school class, one "expert" skiing in front of him for a portion, both men and women, etc...... It was staged. He was skiing up on them to get them in the shot, not to use them as gates.
post #19 of 94
All I got was the Hotham trail map. Yawn central!
post #20 of 94
Nothing wrong here. If you think he is going too fast you need your medication adjusted, and please stay off the highways. Thankyou.

Ant,
Click on the cams near the top of the lift lines on the map.
post #21 of 94
He appears to be snowploughing, not turning, and I imagine he was wearing official special resort uniform and being a special filming boy, so no one would dare whack him with a stock for coming too close. They might have also sped the film up.
Wonderful pixelation effect they've managed there.
post #22 of 94
trailmap is all I got too.
post #23 of 94
Looking at it again, I think ANT is probably correct. Sorry for my rant. But it comes from past experience. Last season at a Vermont resort (dont want to mention name, because friend is suing the people and resort) my daughter and friends daughter were literally run over by two guys racing down and then wiped out in the SLOW area. The girls were waiting in the lift line when they were hit. Ashley, my friends daughter, broke her leg and got a huge cut on her neck and chin requiring stitches. My daughter had bruised ribs, had her helmet knocked off, and was knocked out of both bindings. Three or four others wer also hurt enough to not ski any more that day.

The resorts response, which is what prompted the law suit, was things happen and people assume risk when skiing. This did not sit well with Jay - he's a Bronx DA. They basically told us to move along and said nothing to the two guys - both in early 20's.

I know we assume risk, but the resort also has the responsibility to patrol and remove hazzerdous skiers. I am as guilty as everyone else of pushing too hard at times, but these guys were clearly wrong and too many times "good" skiers zoom in on little kids and slow skiers to use as there personal slolom gates as I said before, and this is not acceptable.

Sorry again for my rant.

-Scott
post #24 of 94
Is this a serious thread? I've seen guys on snowbikes go down a hill faster than that. That looked like a pretty lazy, boring run down a green/blue run. If that's wrong in Australia, you'd better stay away from most western US resorts. Headwall at Kirkwood freshly groomed anyone?
post #25 of 94
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott K
... many times "good" skiers zoom in on little kids and slow skiers to use as there personal slolom gates as I said before, and this is not acceptable.
I am wondering where to draw the line on this myself right now. At MaryJane someone (it doesn't matter on what, or how old) went by me like a freight train on my right.

Jane and I were lining up coming into a lift line - maybe 100 meters away. We were far right on the trail and going straight. Trees less than 5 meters on my right. We were over there on purpose to leave plenty of room for 'everyone else'.

This person went by at roughly 25mph (I think I'm being generous here), so maybe 5 times as fast as we were going. This person's feet went by less than 2.5 feet from my feet.

I heard/felt the person coming and almost threw out my right hand in self defense but didn't. (I flinched) I definitely would have hit the person without having to extend my arm to its entire length.

Jane (of course) slides right at that very moment and I am 15 feet behind her and forced to YELL 'straight' at the top of my lungs. Their paths in the snow were less than 6 inches and parts of the other skier invaded her 'airspace'.

If I see this behavior again, my 'learned' reaction will be to push the individual into the trees. After all, there are risks we all take on the mountain. Skiing too close to a beginner like me has just become a new one.

[edit] Thanks for the space to rant
post #26 of 94
It was a run intended to capture the 'view' of activity on that run so that it could be placed on the web site. Obviously done by someone who was an accomplished skier as he filmed steadily with his headcam. I can imagine that he shouted "hello" to many on the slope as he went by to get their attention and capture the people on the slope. Sure did not look like anyone was being scared at all. some of the comments here reminded me about my coaching days, you could make anything out of a photo or video analysis if you had enough time and imagination.
post #27 of 94
I think he is using a wide angle or fisheye lense that may make the people he is skiing past seem closer than they are as well.
post #28 of 94
Thread Starter 
I have to say I am disappointed guys. After some of the legendary 'collision' threads I was expecting some people to go ballistic about how he was deliberately buzzing people on near empty runs.

That was the first video I watched but seeing some of the other ones he never seems to leave much room for the unexpected to happen, and at much higher speeds.
post #29 of 94
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre
I think he is using a wide angle or fisheye lense that may make the people he is skiing past seem closer than they are as well.
A fisheye makes things seem further away, a zoom lens makes things appear closer.
post #30 of 94
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott K
Last season at a Vermont resort (dont want to mention name, because friend is suing the people and resort)
Suing the Resort?

Your friend is a moron..............................
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