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Lifelong skier trying boarding again...

post #1 of 12
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Looking for some advice and similar stories from the rest of you...

Figured I'm going to re-try my hand at boarding. Now that I've mastered skiing (: yeah, right!) and... In all seriousness, I've always appreciated the graceful flow of snowboarding, and I wouldn't mind working a second muscle group so I can come home more completely sore after a few days on the slopes.

Found a decent deal on an old Salomon Fastback 167 with Burton Mission bindings & Palmer plates, and a pair of twice-used Airwalk Sonar boots that **nearly fit**. $150 out-of-pocket and I think I'm ready to hit the slopes.

I think I'll have my hands full with this board (I'm 6'1" and 200 pounds), but the investment is recoverable if I don't get along with it.

Just curious how many other die-hard skiers have picked up boarding later in the game and how you divide your days, and any tales or tips you want to pass along.
post #2 of 12
Greetings Speede,

I picked up snowboarding after 30 years on skis. I split my time about 50/50. I also teach both sports. Doing both sports does give you a good chance to work different muscles. Unfortunately, flying with 2 sets of gear can get expensive with excess baggage charges. My last few flying vacations have been single sport trips.

My first time on a board I did about an hour and said "that's enough of that". Tired, sore and frustrated. I worked my way up to two hours, then half a day before I enjoyed it enough to consider a sport worth keeping. When I first learned to ride, I had back trouble. Standard strap bindings were difficult for me to get in and out of. Once decent step in bindings became available, riding became a lot more confortable for me.

Skiers tend to fight a snowboard, unconsciously trying to move it against the edge. If you're quickly getting tired feet and sore legs - that's your problem. It helps to have good lessons that focuses on the fundamental moves on very easy terrain. Once you learn how to get your weight over the edge of the board properly and get the carving feedback, you will begin to quickly get confidence. Another common problem is too much weight on the back foot. This makes it hard to start a turn and causes spins instead of turn finishes. Practice putting weight on the front foot on flat pitches and traverse across steeper slopes. Rusty spent his first day going straight down the beginner run screaming at himself to stand on the front foot. Most beginners just can't do it going straight down the fall line.

Wrist injuries are the number problem for snowboarders. Beginners are especially susecptible. I teach beginners to make a fist, cross their arms and then practice falling onto their chest making an oomph sound on contact. You typically fall so fast that putting your hands out to break the fall is automatic. Stay on easy terrain and go slow until you break yourself of this habit. "Slams" happen when you catch your downhill edge. It seems simple enough to always keep the board moving in the direction along the length of the board instead of sideways against the length, but it's easier said than done. The new way that we teach makes it easier to avoid slams, but they do happen. Wrist guards can help prevent injury, but if you continue to use your arms to try break your fall, wrist guards will only move the injury up the arm. If you're going to fall, try to fall back into the hill vs downhill.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice. I'll definitely be signing up for lessons and plan to keep the skis on hand so I have an outlet if I get too frustrated.

Weighting the front foot seems totally unnatural, even sitting here in front of my computer, so I'll keep that bit of advice on top of the mental checklist once I get on snow.
post #4 of 12
Weighting the front foot is the same principle as shin contact with the front of the boot for skiing. You need to get pressure on the front/tips to get the shape to bite into the snow to help draw you into the turn. However, it's more unnatural on a board. You can't will yourself to do it if your brain says you are going too steep.
post #5 of 12
Wrist guardsss!!! cant stress it enuff, i broke my wrist with them on last year in the halfpipe! but thats only because my hand was turned the wrong way, they have saved me numerous times...

butt padding worth every cent

knee pads i dont use them i barely ever fall on my knees

Do you really think its worth it? needing to take sick days cuz ya cant move ur neck lol or move outta bed....

id rather just keep flying then crash n burn for another year or 2
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by cyro26
Do you really think its worth it? needing to take sick days cuz ya cant move ur neck lol or move outta bed....

id rather just keep flying then crash n burn for another year or 2
That's pretty much how I felt 3 or 4 years ago when I last boarded. It was my 3rd (non-consecutive) day on a snowboard. I was finally linking turns and feeling the flow, but as a result my falls were harsh and I came out of it completely sore and with a case of the "never agains..."!

But that was with no helmet, ill-fitting rental equipment, and a couple dozen extra pounds of body fat. In fact, I hadn't even been skiing much for a few years prior.

This time around, I'm all in, kitted up proper and going for broke!
post #7 of 12
take a lesson. I started boarding 7 or 8 years ago. I went first before taking a lesson-big mistake. The lesson helps w/the little stuff-getting on/off the lift, manuevering when you're not going downhill, getting up after falling, etc
post #8 of 12
I also have tried boarding 3 non-consecutive times, all with disasterous results. But I STILL want to see if I can get it. One of my biggest (of many) problems is that I can't get used to not being able to move my legs independently. Sometimes I think that if I could board with just one leg strapped in and the other on the stomp pad, I'd be fine! Of course that's ridiculous.....

Any advice on how to get used to the "strapped in" feeling?
post #9 of 12
I am a long-time skier who also boards. I mostly ski still, and board probably 15% of the time. I also learned in fits and starts beginning almost 20 years ago when I was bored at Stratton and they had a beginner lesson and rental advertised for $0. I tried it. I fell a lot. I finally made it down a beginner slope without falling.

Fast forward about 5 years when a friend gave me his old board. I used my LL Bean snowpack boots. I learned on a local sledding hilll and then again at Stratton with a few pointers from a cousin who was still a novince, but better than I was.

Now, I have decent gear and can link turns down black runs and am still learning every time out.
post #10 of 12
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Finally got out on the snow today (Donner @ Tahoe) and had a blast, despite the wet falling snow and near white-out conditions for the better part of the day.

I took the lessons. They sucked.

Two instructors. Only 5 of us in the class (2 of whom vanished from the class almost immediately). The remaining 3 of us were of pretty mixed ability (one had never been in snow before), so one of the instructors *kind of* broke off with me, but not really.

But they got me started. And I happened to pick up The Illustrated Guide to Snowboarding the previous day and read through the first few chapters, so I think I went into it with a pretty good foundation for learning (weight on front foot, Rusty ?).

Despite the cutting wind, the snow-spackled goggles and the absence of many visual cues on the hill, I was awkwardly linking turns by the last run of the day.

That natural ability I had hoped would materialize wasn't making itself evident, but all in all I came away with a sense of accomplishment, and not too many sore body parts... thanks in part to the generous snowfall!

I would have felt a lot more at home, given the conditions, on my skis, but the somewhat brutal initiation will make day #2 seem like a cakewalk.
post #11 of 12
Wow, good for you! Impressive that you were able to link turns by the end of the day despite crappy weather and crappier instructors!
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by skichick70
Wow, good for you! Impressive that you were able to link turns by the end of the day despite crappy weather and crappier instructors!
Really, that's not saying much (I think)! "Awkwardly" is the operative word here...

I fully appreciate there is a mental block I must overcome to progress: toe-side turns are scaring the crap out of me! I equate them to turning my back to a threat and/or driving blind in reverse, each of which counter natural instincts that have perpetuated the human species : .

This after years of training myself to point my skis or my bike down hill and take the challenge head on...
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