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post #1 of 23
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Hello, I'd like to get an advice from everybody.

I'd consider myself intermidiate. I'm 6' 245lbs. I've been skiing for about 6 years but only about 12 days per year. I currently have Solomon Axendo 9. 190cm. Overall, I'm ok with them but since I started going to moguls they limit my progress. I generally tend to muscle through stuff due to my lack of technique and it's hard for me to muscle 190 through moguls. Also, they totally don't ski in powder (or I can't use them?).

So with that in mind, I decided to get a new pair. Shorter and fatter. Shorted to help me learn mogul techniques and fatter to have better powder performance. Now, I don't need a powder skis since I mostly ski NE but I'd like to get some powder performance for occasional powder days.

I was looking at two models: Solomon Pilot 10 Scream and Volkl 5 star. Volkl got a lot of good reviews and a couple of recommendations from my instructors so it's currenly number 1 choice for me. I was looking at 6 stars as well but it seems like it's a lot less forgiving so I'm afraid it will limit my progress. I'm thinking about 168cm.

So my question is - with all of the above in mind, am I making the right choice or am I going to regret it. I'd appreciate any response. Thank you.
post #2 of 23
Welcome to EpicSki, XTSkier--I'm glad you found us!

To your question, you may get some good suggestions here from people who recommend one ski or another, but remember that it is YOU who has to like your skis. Virtally every manufacturer these days makes some excellent skis. It's a question of finding the one in their line that suits your particular needs. Salomons and Volkls get a lot of advertising, and they make some good skis, but don't buy them on advertising hype alone!

Second, while new skis can certainly make a difference, and today's skis are wonderful things, far more important is the technique you use to operate them. Taking full advantage of today's skis absolutely demands good technique--otherwise you're just pushing them around like the old ones. It reminds me of that old chain saw joke--it's only better than a traditional hand saw if you know how to start it up!

But you say you're getting advice from instructors already, so you're on the right track. No one on this site will know your personal skiing better than an instructor who skis with you. Since my usual advice on these things is to seek the counsel of a good instructor, I won't change that now!

But I will say that 168 cm sounds pretty short as an all-around ski for someone your size. It isn't necessarily too short, for some things, with some skis, but I would question it as an all around ski. Especially in ungroomed and soft snow, you may find them lacking sufficient flotation and difficult to control. 168 is the size I ski on for all around, and I go longer for lots of things, including soft snow and moguls. You outweigh me by nearly 100 pounds.

Please stick around, and let us know how you do.

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #3 of 23
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Originally posted by Bob Barnes/Colorado:
Welcome to EpicSki, XTSkier--I'm glad you found us!
Thank you. Hopefully being here will improve my skills.

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but remember that it is YOU who has to like your skis!
That goes without saying but sometimes it's hard to determine something from one or two days of demoing especially when skills change (as they do in my case). That's why I'm trying to get as much of an advice as possible.

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Second, while new skis can certainly make a difference, and today's skis are wonderful things, far more important is the technique you use to operate them.
In the beginning I liked my skis just fine. Stable on groomed slope at high speed. But then I went to whistler and couldn't use them. I demoed Solomon Xscream and, while not the best ski around, they did allow me to do much better turns in moguls. It's not that I have bad technique but with my longer skis I either hit into the mogul or gain too high speed. Of course, I could eventually learn to use them but I feel like new shorter skis would make the process much faster. Plus my skis are getting old and beat up already and I'm a gadget freak.
post #4 of 23
I would definately demo since you might be happy on a 168 but you never know?

The 5 Star is a demanding ski but with your weight it might not be so springy which is a good thing.

Also, the more radical the sidecut the faster you may accelerate through bumps if you carve through them so be careful. I have been reading about newer bump technique for those of us who ski on shorties.

Demo

Demo

Demo
post #5 of 23
Hi, XTskier, welcome aboard!

All the preceding is excellent advice, but as Scalce suggests, DEMO! Excellent skis will feel different and a ski with great credentials may just feel wrong for YOU! If possible, take advantage of demo days held early in December at many hills, or go to the best ski shop you can find and demo their high-end skis. Most places will let you bring them back during the day to exchange for others and usually credit your rental costs toward the purchase price.

Good luck!
post #6 of 23
Welcome XTskier [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

If you're an intermediate skier, and are looking for something you can take into bumps, I'd definitely stay away from the 6 star. The 5 star demands pretty solid technique also and might be a bit much for you as well.

There have been quite a few reports of the 5 stars getting bent in the bumps, and you're a pretty big guy so you might not want to take that chance. Why don't you check out the 4 star in a 178? It'll be a whole lot better in bumps and should be plenty of fun for skiing in the east while you're trying to improve your technique.

At 245 lbs., if you go right from a 190 to a 168 then you're probably going to feel a little unstable until you really learn to carve good solid turns on NE hardpack. If you're not there yet, I'd stick with a 175 to 184 depending on the type of ski.

Last year I porked up and was skiing at about 235 lbs. myself. At that weight, unless I was racing slalom gates, I'd want to be on at least a 168. In a 5 star I'd be on a ~175.

I also demoed the Salomon Scream 10 Pilot and didn't like it for skiing hardpack at all. Too soft for a big guy unless you're skiing soft stuff. Demoing is always the best way to go unless you're like me. I'll demo myself to death, and when I'm done trying 20 different skis I can't make up my mind, have forgotten half the skis I tried, and out at least a few hundred bucks with nothing to show for it.

For an intermediate skier, I wouldn't rule out taking a shot in the dark, and picking up a pair of nice demo skis on eBay for $250. You'll almost always get your money's worth out of them, and with a little research you'll still end up with something better than what you're on now. The price of new skis is hardly worth it unless you're very particular about what you want, especially when you'll only be getting 12 days a year out of them.

Option #2 is to demo all season, and in late March or early next year, buy your favorites cheap or as a demo.

Good luck! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Carvemeister:
Welcome XTskier [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

If you're an intermediate skier, and are looking for something you can take into bumps, I'd definitely stay away from the 6 star. The 5 star demands pretty solid technique also and might be a bit much for you as well.
Ok. I do feel quite comfortable in level 7 (out of 8) class. And I can do pretty much any resonable size moguls. I just don't look like people who ski 60 days a year for 10 years on them. And I have a problem in high moguls. Still I suspect 5 star might be too much but that's what I'm here to figure out.

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At 245 lbs., if you go right from a 190 to a 168 then you're probably going to feel a little unstable until you really learn to carve good solid turns on NE hardpack. If you're not there yet, I'd stick with a 175 to 184 depending on the type of ski.
I suspect so myself. I demoed some 175 Crossmax last year and didn't feel they were too long. But everybody here keeps saying "shorter, shorter" so I started to doubt.

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I also demoed the Salomon Scream 10 Pilot and didn't like it for skiing hardpack at all.
What year? I demoed them a while ago and didn't like them. But I've been reading that they changed a lot for 2002/2003.

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Demoing is always the best way to go unless you're like me. I'll demo myself to death, and when I'm done trying 20 different skis I can't make up my mind, have forgotten half the skis I tried, and out at least a few hundred bucks with nothing to show for it.
Well, I AM like you. I can't tell a slight difference between two different models like some testers do. So while I will definitely demo 4star, 5star and few other models, I don't know if that will definitely make up my mind.

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For an intermediate skier, I wouldn't rule out taking a shot in the dark, and picking up a pair of nice demo skis on eBay for $250. You'll almost always get your money's worth out of them, and with a little research you'll still end up with something better than what you're on now.
While I'm not made of money, price is not a determining factor for me. I've had my skis for 6 or 7 years and I definitely got my money worth. They might require better technique than I have to utilize them fully but keep in mind - at the time I bought them shaped skis where in first year production and the only shaped model available was Elan something. So unless I'll try racing skis now, I'll definitely be better off on my skill level than I am now. I know I will not regret it unless I really but a piece of s....
post #8 of 23
Quote:
Originally posted by Carvemeister:
Welcome XTskier [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

If you're an intermediate skier, and are looking for something you can take into bumps, I'd definitely stay away from the 6 star. The 5 star demands pretty solid technique also and might be a bit much for you as well.

There have been quite a few reports of the 5 stars getting bent in the bumps, and you're a pretty big guy so you might not want to take that chance. Why don't you check out the 4 star in a 178? It'll be a whole lot better in bumps and should be plenty of fun for skiing in the east while you're trying to improve your technique.

I bent 2 pairs of 4 Stars last year and I am 5'7" 170-180. I am personally steering clear of last year's Volkl models for now.
post #9 of 23
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Originally posted by XTSkier:
...What year? I demoed them a while ago and didn't like them. But I've been reading that they changed a lot for 2002/2003, etc..
I demoed last year's version of the Pilot 10.

You have to watch out for the shorter is better hype. While it's mostly true, it all depends on where, how, and what type of ski you're on. Some people carry this mantra a little too far, and if you buy just based on "go short" you could make a very big mistake.

Also remember that most of these guys skiing on 155's and 165's probably weigh less than 200 lbs. It seems like 90% of the people who post here are in that category. (How DO they do that?)

I can always tell the difference between skis I demo, I just can't decide which I like better most of the time. The problem is, that I usually like them all in one way or another. Its like being single again and dating lots of nice girls! You have to wait until they dump you to find out who you'll end up with, 'cause you'll never be able to choose one over the other.

So, if I were you, and money is not a big factor, I would go to a resort that has a ski shop at the base with a large selection of demo skis, who will deduct some or all of your demo fees off the price of new skis that you buy from them.

Demo a couple of pairs a day until you find one or two pairs that stand out. Then try your favorite ski(s)in a few different sizes (from ~ 165 to 185 cm.)
You should be able to find something that you really like. As soon as you do, just buy 'em before you go crazy. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ September 30, 2003, 07:16 AM: Message edited by: Carvemeister ]
post #10 of 23
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Originally posted by Scalce:
I bent 2 pairs of 4 Stars last year and I am 5'7" 170-180. I am personally steering clear of last year's Volkl models for now.
Scalce, you're really making me nervous with you and your wife bending multiple pairs of Volkls last year. Both the 4 stars and the 20/20's? That's pretty incredible. :

I had been thinking of getting a pair of this year's 5 stars myself, but now I'm starting to re-think that idea. You would think if they had that many problems, they'd change the construction a bit this year, but I don't think they have.

Did you have much trouble with Volkl replacing them?
post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Carvemeister:
Also remember that most of these guys skiing on 155's and 165's probably weigh less than 200 lbs. It seems like 90% of the people who post here are in that category. (How DO they do that?):
I used to be about 150 a few years ago. And not all of my gained weight is fat either. [img]smile.gif[/img] Although I've been lazy lately so it's been converting to fat little by little. Doh...
post #12 of 23
The 5 stars rock. I've had no troubles with mine. They are perfect. I'm 168cm, avg weight f and am on the 161cm.
post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 
Just stopped by the store and 168 definitely look too short. I'm afraid I won't be able to gain enough speed with them. I'll try them probably but 175 definitely looks like the right size for me. Maybe mine are 200 now that I'm thinking about it. Not sure. Prices are $850 for 5 star piston and $730 for 4 star. Not too bad for authorized retail store.
post #14 of 23
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Originally posted by Carvemeister:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scalce:
I bent 2 pairs of 4 Stars last year and I am 5'7" 170-180. I am personally steering clear of last year's Volkl models for now.
Scalce, you're really making me nervous with you and your wife bending multiple pairs of Volkls last year. Both the 4 stars and the 20/20's? That's pretty incredible. :

I had been thinking of getting a pair of this year's 5 stars myself, but now I'm starting to re-think that idea. You would think if they had that many problems, they'd change the construction a bit this year, but I don't think they have.

Did you have much trouble with Volkl replacing them?
</font>[/quote]Volkl was actually really quick about replacing the ski but if it is bent after one year from purchase you must pay for the repair. That was a chance I didn't want to take on expensive skis.

It is quite possbile that I got 4 pairs from a bad batch and I have heard everything from maybe I am storing them wrong to skiing incorrectly. One guy even said that it is totally normal for any ski to bend if you wipe and it jacks up in the air and comes down wrong.

I am the most anal person when it comes to ski care so it was not a maintanence issue and I wiped out alot learning on my Rossi Cobra X's and my wife wiped on her old Atomic 8.18s with no issues. I blew out my knee on my Atomic R11s last Feb in a nasty high speed wipeout and they still look perfect.

I am sure that most people never bend a ski in their lives but I personally have had too many ski days and mini vacations ruined because of skiing on a bent ski and not realizing it or having to pay for a rental. Also I got each pair tuned out of the wrapper which pissed me off even more because it wasn't the tuners fault so I had to pay for 4 friggin tunes.

Just be really careful when stopping on a bump run and having only the tip and tail make contact.

I don't want to scare any Volkl users as I loved my 4 Stars but I also feel obligated to tell people about something like skis bending.

It's not like the entire skiing community is posting here so I may be the only Volkl user here that has had an issue and I'm sure there are many other people who bent a Volkl ski and just figured it was dumb luck and got them replaced without thinking twice of a design flaw.

So far only the 6 Star is a new design and it is kind of interesting that they used less metal in it's construction.

Also the topsheet of the Volkls last year totally get chewed up which is probably another reason the 6 Star has a redesigned surface.
post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally posted by Scalce:
So far only the 6 Star is a new design and it is kind of interesting that they used less metal in it's construction.
While I don't know any technical details I can tell you this: finish on both (4 & 5) looks different from last year. I looked at it last year and the finish was flat (if I remember correctly). But this year's finish is more like sanding paper. And obviously 4 star looks totally different.

Where did you hear that 6 star uses less metal? The only thing I found is that 6 star has "hard aluminum girders above its edges".
post #16 of 23
I beleive it was Ski or Skiing that had something on the 6 Star having less metal in the construction.

I will look around to see where I read that.
post #17 of 23
Actually it might have been on Tech Support for Skiers

but now they charge a subscription fee.

crap
post #18 of 23
You are correct that this years skis have a different topsheet which is probably a good thing.

I am only posting to help you guys make a good decision.

I also forgot to mention that the plastic they used on the very end of the tails cracks after some good use. It was hard plastic that would crack and break off instead of just getting scratched.

I was extremely annoyed with the Volkls last year for numerous reasons.

Maybe this years models are totally different and that would be a good thing.
post #19 of 23
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Originally posted by Carvemeister:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scalce:
I bent 2 pairs of 4 Stars last year and I am 5'7" 170-180. I am personally steering clear of last year's Volkl models for now.
Scalce, you're really making me nervous with you and your wife bending multiple pairs of Volkls last year. Both the 4 stars and the 20/20's? That's pretty incredible. :

I had been thinking of getting a pair of this year's 5 stars myself, but now I'm starting to re-think that idea. You would think if they had that many problems, they'd change the construction a bit this year, but I don't think they have.

Did you have much trouble with Volkl replacing them?
</font>[/quote]Just a quick note so that volkl doesn't get a bad rap - I am 5'10" 170 lbs, very lean, and have been skiing volkls for years. At present I own last yrs 5star in a 182, last years G4 in a 178, and, gasp, a pair of pocket rockets in a 175. I ski very hard for about 45 days per year, all in CO or UT and have never had a problem with volkls bending easily. (To be honest, I did manage to separate the edge from the core of a pair of G3s, but that was after a nasty nasty fall that occurred when landed about a 15 footer on top of a nice combination of root/rock during an early season park city powder day. I was culpable, and that's important to admit when evaluating the strength of your ski.) [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
good luck with your search.
post #20 of 23
Benzo, thanks for the info., I can see the G4 in a 178 being good for your weight, but the 5 star seems a bit long. Why did you decide to go for the 182?
post #21 of 23
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Originally posted by Benzo:
I was culpable, and that's important to admit when evaluating the strength of your ski.
I loved my Volkls but warping on easy blue bumped runs is unacceptable as far as I'm concerned and I will not take blame for any abuse on my part.

I wish everyone who has last year's Volkls the best of luck.

[ September 30, 2003, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: Scalce ]
post #22 of 23
I loved the 4 star in a 167 for the bumps-I was 195lb + 25lb (back pack filled with liquid nourishment) and the ski held well at high speeds also.I am a Volkl fan (I sell skis) and currently have last years the p-50 GS race in 183 and a the G-3 in 183. This yearI will keep my p-50 for cruiseing and drop my g-3 as my all around.I will re-demo two other skiis that impressed me last year. One was the 1080 space frame , which wide as it was did well in the moguls since you can go shorter since you have a lot of surface area , which helps in the pow, although I did not get to try any pwder with them.Yes I have seen a few Volkls come in bent (the utra p-30 never bent), but when I skied with the people who bent them , they were musceling (sic)them and had no finess(sic) or technic(sic).
post #23 of 23
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Originally posted by Carvemeister:
Benzo, thanks for the info., I can see the G4 in a 178 being good for your weight, but the 5 star seems a bit long. Why did you decide to go for the 182?
CARVEMEISTER,
The 5star is my "regular resort day" ski, and being a little obstinate, i decided that for the ski with dimensions closest to a race ski in my quiver, i would go a little bit longer in keeping with the skis i grew up on. That being said, i did initially demo a G4 in a 188 and rapidly decided on the 178. With regard to the 5star, however, i have been quite happy with the 182, it is still a few centimeters shorter than the P30, P40 and G3 that i had skied in the past...if your turns stand up to your nickname, then it would be a pleasure to watch you arc!
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