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B5 or M11

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I went to Atomic's web site and it was pretty worthless; the videos didn't work and after I added up my "Metron index" (1280), I couldn't find how to use it to select a model. I'm trying to decide what model of Metron I should get. I want a ski that can handle the worst off piste condition which, in my opinion, is crust on top with soft snow underneath so that you sometimes break through and sometimes don't break through. I'm trying to choose between the M11 and the B5. I'm a little concerned about the weight of the B5 and I don't really know what precisely, or even approximately, what the differences are between the two. I'm a pretty solid expert who likes to go all over the mountain. I'm 5'10", 160 lb., work out regularly at elev. 5000 ft.
post #2 of 19
Try them both. When I demo'd them last weekend, I felt like there was a HUGE difference between the two.
post #3 of 19
Given your description, I would think you'd want to be on either the M:EX or, even better, one of the real off-piste skis of the Daddy line.

I have had my b5s in conditions like you describe, and while I survived, I would not say that they thrived there. Those are the kind of conditions where I think a longer, wider ski really makes a difference.

The Metron index only works for the Metrons, but the index is right next to the length listings for each model. You can also download the catalog (which is what I've done). At 1280, they'd recommend the 162 in the b5 and M:11, although I'd be tempted to suggest the 172 in the 11.

Again, though, I don't think either one is the answer for those conditions. Unless you're doing to ski them on all conditions and just want them to be adequate in those off-piste environs.
post #4 of 19
The Metron index for each ski in a given length is also printed on the ski top sheet.

Remember that the index is a guide only; it is meant to accomodate the "average" skier. Most Epic Bears (hardcore as we are) may be better off going longer, in my opinion. Your mileage may vary.
post #5 of 19
Metron 10, more versatility then either of your first picks. The Mex would also work nicely as SSH mentions.
post #6 of 19

Agreed

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Originally Posted by L7
Metron 10, more versatility then either of your first picks. The Mex would also work nicely as SSH mentions.
The sidecut of the B5 is TIGHT! Makes a shorter radius turn, and while fun in the right condition, I agree it isn't as versatile. I love the M10. I like the M11 too, but as I've said, not as versatile. Keep in mind the construction is IDENTICAL between M10 and M11. Only difference is shape.

B5 is too much "zoot factor". Built like a tank. But obviously a bunch of people love that feel.

Good luck.
post #7 of 19
Ooooops, My bad.
post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
No. No. No. The shape is the same but the construction is where the differences are.
I think you're confusing the difference between M11 and B5. He's refering to the differnent sidecuts or M10 vs M11 but the same construction.
post #9 of 19

B5 or 11

A Consideration is also your weight. The Mll would be easier for you to flex and use for all conditions. My tahoe skiing partner is about 160 5'11 and a level 9 skier he uses the M11, I'm 5'11 and 193 and use the B5 and not as good as my friend. Something to think about or demo. I ski and treach at Silver Mt. Idaho, really great off piste all over the mountain and find this ski up to the task on all terratin EXCEPT the rain we're getting now.
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by ChrisInSeattle
Try them both. When I demo'd them last weekend, I felt like there was a HUGE difference between the two.
Chris, where did you demo those? Was that at a demo day or through a shop? I've been looking to try the B5's, but all the shops I've talked to either don't have or are out of B5 demos.

To add to the discussion, I demoed a pair of M:EX's (165's) at Stevens Pass, WA a couple of weeks ago in really varying conditions (sun-warmed mashed potato on the backside, corduroy groomers, pockets of powder on the frontside that were in the shade, ice in a few locations, some truly gnarly conditions on parts of the double diamond runs) and found they handled everything with ease. I'm a level 9, 5'10" and 160lb.

Take this with a grain of salt, since I switched to snowboarding for 15 years (mainly because skis back then didn't carve like a snowboard could) and I just switched back to skiing in the last couple of years when I realized that I'll never be as good on a snowboard as I am on skis. I'm coming from a pair of 80's K2 810's (i.e., what Phil Mahre won his World Cup on) at a 195 length. Let me tell you, getting those things down tight bumps on expert runs was a real chore. All I can say is: the M:EX's rock! I was even beating my ski buddy (on a couple of year old Atomic R11's) to the bottom on the groomers, and I hadn't been able to do that on my K2's.

Thx,

Brett
post #11 of 19
I've never skied the M:11 or M:10, but I luuuuve the B:5. It's a hefty ski and requires a bit of oomph. But, if you come to play, the rewards are huge.

I just returned from 4 days at Sun Peaks, and I wouldn't trade my B:5's for anything. The sweeping carves you can perform on this ski are extraordinary. They're a thrilling ride, and plow through anything. The power and solidity are unmatched.

I also have the M:EX's, which are outstanding on deeper snow days. Although, the B:5 is no slouch in powder either.
post #12 of 19
Capt'n, remind me. 05/06 or 04/05 b5?
post #13 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisInSeattle
Try them both. When I demo'd them last weekend, I felt like there was a HUGE difference between the two.
Ditto:
I demoed both and found a difference between the two. Same side cut but different feel.

There are people here who are Waaaaayyyyy smarter than I am but I just recently faced the exact same decision that you are facing.

A friend told me that the B5 technology would be very noticable and it was!
A little heavier but not so much that you'd notice it on the hill. Weight is mostly noticable when you carry them from the car to the base.
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato
I've never skied the M:11 or M:10, but I luuuuve the B:5. It's a hefty ski and requires a bit of oomph. But, if you come to play, the rewards are huge.
I got the B5 in 162. I'm 5'6" 130 lbs. I haven't skied them on the kind of conditions that you all see in the west, but on our groomers and in our whopping 8 inches of powder I loooooovvvvve them and don't feel like I need any extra effort to drive em.

I was very concerned how much the weight would effect the knee fatigue from chair lift rides but after two full days(8 hour days) I felt absolutly NO fatigue.

My advice.....Come on over to our side....buy the B5 and embrace the experience!!!!!!
post #15 of 19
i'm 5'6" 140lbs and have the m11 in 162. I have demoed the b5 in 152 and 162 lengths. It is a great ski, but just a bit too damp and tank-like for my tastes. I found the M11 to have better snow feel and more lively.

I guess it all boils down to what you prefer in a ski. Softer skis tend to work better for me.
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
>>Unless you're going to ski them on all conditions and just want them to be adequate in those off-piste environs.[/quote]<<

That's what I'm looking for; I don't expect to ski those horrible conditions very often. I only encountered them at Las Lenas on the cat skiing tour and I was on a pair of Atomic Beta Arc 918 190cm. Everyone else had wide skis in the 160 cm to 170 cm range and they were staying on top of that stuff and having a ball.
post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho
A Consideration is also your weight. The Mll would be easier for you to flex and use for all conditions. My tahoe skiing partner is about 160 5'11 and a level 9 skier he uses the M11, I'm 5'11 and 193 and use the B5 and not as good as my friend. Something to think about or demo. I ski and treach at Silver Mt. Idaho, really great off piste all over the mountain and find this ski up to the task on all terratin EXCEPT the rain we're getting now.
The flex thing is what I was thinking too. I'm leaning toward the M11. Thanks.
post #18 of 19
Powderdog, the b5s will blast through more than the M:11s, FWIW.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by ssh
Capt'n, remind me. 05/06 or 04/05 b5?
Steve: The 05/06 B:5's. 172 cm, and I'm 200 lbs, 6'1".
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