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Ski Bashing

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I thought I would start the first ski bashing thread. Well not really.

I have enjoyed many threads on epicski over the years, but have always laughed at the small-minded snowboard bashing that goes on.

When I saw Rusty's post over on the aasi forum I thought I would come check it out.

I have to say that I am very disappointed with what I see so far. Now a few skiers find a need to go into the snowboard forum to complain about snowboarders.

Is that the intention of this forum? Is it a place for skiers to complain about snowboarders, or a place for snowboarders to talk about their sport?

It's too bad that this site isn't more about the love of sliding on snow rather than the pissing that seems to always go on.

I could point out many of the stupid things I see skiers doing everyday. What would be the point? I usually find it better to try and teach the skiers and snowboarders I see doing things that might not be safe, what might be safer.

Like today when I suggested to the skiers that they might not want to stand all across the front of the lift maze.

Or the other day when I suggested to some people that blocking the narrow exit to a trail might not be the best place to stand.

People are stupid, send them on vacation and it at least doubles, it doesn't matter what they have on their feet. You can find people on both types of equipment making stupid mistakes. We've all made at least one.

Let the bashing stop.
post #2 of 22
I agree. I used to say "this is a skiing forum, you can bash snowboarders" but now it is a skiing AND snowboarding forum. This means boarders cant bash skiers, and skiers cant bash boarders.
post #3 of 22
Vailboarder,

With all due respect, your post seems to be a bashing the posters at this site.
post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkevenson
Vailboarder,

With all due respect, your post seems to be a bashing the posters at this site.
Only some. Hopefully not you. And thanks for the respect.
post #5 of 22
Since this is a new forum, there really aren't any new posts. We moved a few of the posts off the ski page but since this is new, please everyone populate it with Good info rather than any "bashing" of any kind.

DC
post #6 of 22
VB,

We've got to start somewhere. You've got to admit that this software beats the pants off of what PSIA/AASI is using. That's a good start. This section of the forum will become what we make of it. If enough people post enough sensible stuff, the inevitable whining will just be a small noise that we can ignore.
post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Can't disagree Rusty. I've been coming to eski for some time now. I am as surprised as anyone to see this snowboard section. There is and always has been a lot of anti snowboarders at eski. Despite that, I have always enjoyed the huge wealth of knowledge here and that is why I have continued to read/lurk. I hope the snowboard section is a big hit.
post #8 of 22
A lot of skiers like to ride a snowboard once in a while for variety. I would think that's where this forum will find its legs at EpicSki.
post #9 of 22
in 20 years all the snowboarders will turn old and skiing will be cool again when I'm 45 with young people.......most of you skier here won't live that long to see that day(skier bashing now) but I'll be the only mid age guy with skis while the whole mountains full of other old people with snowboards and their kids with skis ........NO DAD snowboarding is for old people
post #10 of 22
personally, I have challenged every instructor in our school to come out and take a snowboard lesson with Us, and every snowboarder to take a ski lesson. I find it very important that we experience the fear of trying something new the way our students are. I also think it increases the crossover respect factor....
post #11 of 22
As far as i'm concerned boarding is skiing with one big fat ski. End of story.
post #12 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
As far as i'm concerned boarding is skiing with one big fat ski. End of story.
Possibly my SDM batteries are low and if so pardon me.

If not I have to completely disagree.

I certainly speak from experiance as a long time skier and 6+ year Boarder.

The experiance one has while riding a board is completely different to that one has while skiing. It is not as simple as different body actions to accomplish or complete a turn.

The way one views the surroundings. The places one searches out for the most fun factor. The parts of the hill one uses. The effect different terrain has on you. The people that one congregates with and rides with.

Skiing and Boarding are two seperate activities in my book that simply share the fact they both slide on snow. Past that in my book there are very few similarities.

I think this is why the ole Boarder VS Skier battle is so strong and played on so often. They are different and one cannot often relate to the other because of this huge differance.

Am I wrong? Do Skiers and Tele grumble about each other as much? Do skiers and Snow bladers grumble as much about each other. Tele and Snow blades have alot in common with skiing, very much more so than Boarding.

I love both activities. I simply find skiing more versatile for mountain use than a board and hence spend more time on skis. I still love to board, there really is nothing else like it next to surfing or skateboarding.

I say everyone just have a big smoke in and then go hit the slopes and let the fighting be gone.
post #13 of 22
Your batteries are fine, no sarcasm intended. I realize I'm in the minority. I'm a sport bike guy, and think a Harley Davidson is a motorcycle too.
post #14 of 22
The tools (skis and boards) are doing the same thing in the snow. The input from the rider/skier is of a different orientation, but the flexion/extension for turn shape is similar.

I have been snowboarding for a long time and now I am working my way up through the PSIA levels in skiing for the sake of doing crossover clinics. I find more similarities between the sports than differences.
post #15 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by philsthrills
The tools (skis and boards) are doing the same thing in the snow.
This I cannot disagree with. I think the edge pressure on a board does change the dynamics of the tool however as obviously that one edge can have more pressure and weight excurted onto it than two ski edges can. I may be wrong on that but I would consider the forces applied to a snowboard edge much more efficient than two ski edges.

Quote:
Originally Posted by philsthrills
I find more similarities between the sports than differences.
This I am suprised to hear. For me it is two different worlds. Over the xmas break I took a run on skis and then the same run on a board and I felt they were completely different experiances. I am a good boarder and would board anything I would ski, so it wasn't a newbie board experiance or a struggle.
post #16 of 22

It aint the equipment.

The other day I was hit by an under-age snowboarder. He was skiing too fast in a slow skiing area where two busy trails were merging. I had slowed in order to enter the area. Obviously he didn't have the ability to control his board. If they hadn't invented the ski board, he would have been on skiis. By blaming the equipment, you are avoiding the true reasons that various people make hazards of themselves on the slopes. I'm still in pain today. It is a very strong reminder that something went wrong. This is not a frivolous or laughing matter. The majority of adults regularly break the speed limit on our hiways and roads. Children are raised to believe that exceeding speed limits and proceeding without control exists as accepted behaviour. Unsupervised groups of underage people are allowed to move on ski area slopes at dangerously excessive speeds. Poorly trained or prepared people enter slopes that are beyond their ability regularly. Usually they are on good equipment. This enhances their feeling that they are more skilled at using the equipment than the actuality. They lack a good education as to how to use the equipment, but they are sold it. The same goes for the drivers on our hiways. These are the issues which should be addressed.
post #17 of 22
Lets show skier that we are beyond Bashing, and not bash them in this forum, and delete this thread...It has evolved into a differences and similarities thread anyway...
post #18 of 22

it ain't the equipment

Quote:
Originally Posted by ATskier
The other day I was hit by an under-age snowboarder. He was skiing too fast in a slow skiing area where two busy trails were merging. I had slowed in order to enter the area. Obviously he didn't have the ability to control his board. If they hadn't invented the ski board, he would have been on skiis. By blaming the equipment, you are avoiding the true reasons that various people make hazards of themselves on the slopes.
You are 100% correct! I just made a similar comment to some friends on Tuesday. One of them was complaining about the "snowboarders" at the local ski bump and how one of these individuals was struck. I said that I'm amazed that more skiers don't show gratitude for snowboarders, because up until the snowboard was invented the only people they could blame for their collisions or poor, scraped off snow conditions was themselves. Now there's a whole other community of folks they can vent their venom on.

It's the people not what equipment they're on. I've been hit by boarders, skiers and strangely enough never a tele person. I had a joke for a while that when I was on my skis, only snowboarders bothered me and when on my board only skiers bothered me. Obviously that wasn't true, but it got some laughs in the locker room.

Two examples:
- I was teaching a student and we were located at the side of a blue run well out of the way of the flow and easily in view of everyone on the slope. We were chatting about the moves and exercise she had just worked on, when out of the corner of my eye I saw a skier coming right for us (intentional South Park reference). I thought "he's in control, and will be turning soon, so no big deal." It turns out he almost hit her and when schussing by, took a swing at her with his ski pole, smacking her board and just missing her by inches. I got the ski patrol and they responeded immediately and waited for him at the top of the lift. It was interesting to pass by the "arrest" site getting off the lift and hearing him complain about how this was a "skier's mountain" and boarders shouldn't be let on the slopes and he did nothing wrong, etc. The ski patrol took his pass and escorted him away. Nice.
- I was taking a break on a blue run, right behind one of those ski slow signs (in racing gear) on my snowboard. Again, out of the corner of my eye i saw a boarder coming right for me. I yelled at him to turn with plenty of room for him to react. Getting up quickly in a racing rig isn't one of the strong points of that type of equipment so I was like a fish out of water. He looked like he was asleep at the wheel, even though he looked right at me when I yelled. He couldn't turn or stop and just flopped wildly as he train wrecked in my direction. I tried to dodge this idiot, but part of his board caught me in the chest. I know the anger and rage that one feels after a collision, because I was ready to kill this guy. Unfortunately that would have put me in jail and then I couldn't snowboard or tele any more.

Moral of these stories: there are idiots all over the mountain and with both kinds of equipment on their feet.

I have many more instances where snow users have been completely wrong, like not giving the downhill skier the right of way and blamed collisions that were their fault on helpless, slow moving new skiers/riders. You'd think people would get it by now, people like to turn left and then usually back to the right, then usually back to the left again when on their snow sport equipment. The beginner and slow runs are not the place to do your best Bode Miller impression.

It's funny that when visiting the park each day (at Breckenridge) there are groups of skiers and boarders hapily and peacefully using the same space and terrain park features without many indcidents. In fact they actually communicate with each other and show almost a sort of respect for each other. Crazy.
post #19 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by ATskier
The other day I was hit by an under-age snowboarder. He was skiing too fast in a slow skiing area where two busy trails were merging. I had slowed in order to enter the area. Obviously he didn't have the ability to control his board. If they hadn't invented the ski board, he would have been on skiis. By blaming the equipment, you are avoiding the true reasons that various people make hazards of themselves on the slopes. I'm still in pain today. It is a very strong reminder that something went wrong. This is not a frivolous or laughing matter. The majority of adults regularly break the speed limit on our hiways and roads. Children are raised to believe that exceeding speed limits and proceeding without control exists as accepted behaviour. Unsupervised groups of underage people are allowed to move on ski area slopes at dangerously excessive speeds. Poorly trained or prepared people enter slopes that are beyond their ability regularly. Usually they are on good equipment. This enhances their feeling that they are more skilled at using the equipment than the actuality. They lack a good education as to how to use the equipment, but they are sold it. The same goes for the drivers on our hiways. These are the issues which should be addressed.
Admist all of you abusive posts, I find this one lucid and spot on, albeit fundamental to anyone with a lick of sense. But don't go and change your black hat to a white one just because of this out of character response.
post #20 of 22
Exceeding an arbitrary posted speed-tax limit and proceeding without control are two different things. The problem isn't speed persay, it's speeding beyond your level of control.

I agree that the problem is not the equipment. It's the equipment abuser. Young teenage males are the typical abusers. Blaming the equipment is silly.
post #21 of 22
and I renew my thought that everytime I come to the Epic page, Ski bashing is the latest topic to recieve a post, thus showing up on the page. Can't we find something more important to talk about?
post #22 of 22
When I ski at Brighton (I think I am the only one who still does) and I fall down (which is a lot), some nice snowboarder almost always offers to help me up.
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