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post #31 of 93
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Originally Posted by ant
And they are always too long. Apparently, the fatter you are, the taller you are. Size 14 US women are about 7 feet tall.
Well my wife has the opposite problem. She is 5'7 - 5'8 and wears a size 4. Every pair of pants she tries on are like floods. Sure they make some pants in long sizes, but they are very hard to find. Over the past several years we visit every ski shop we drive by just to look for pants for her. In all that time (and checking e-bay regularly) we have found exactly two pairs that fit her!
post #32 of 93
A recent ski magazine article noted that participation in the sport of skiing in the US has declined as women's ski clothes have become baggier and (arguably) uglier. I know my 50 year old wife would jump at warm, comfortable, properly sized feminine ski wear. She doesn't want to dress like a boarder babe or a man. She wore several nice, warm, well fitted (not high fashion) ski suites for several years after they were out of style because they were both warm and feminine. There is an opportunity here for someone.
post #33 of 93
I've switched over to buying snowboarding clothing as well. I'm middle of the road in size (usually 8) so size isn't as much of an issue, but I find the clothes so much more comfortable. I also think the patterns and colors available are more interesting. Of course the fact that one of my daughter's friends saw a picture of me geared up and thought I was 19, (I'm 45), only encourages me to stick with the snowboarding wear.
post #34 of 93

Rant we will!

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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
What ever happened to stretch pants?
Problems here too!
I have a 26" waist, and 38" hips. So.....you guessed it.....if they fit in the waist, they won't zip and if they fit in the hips I have a massive gap around the waist. Maybe I looked like a gaper with my old stretch pants but I dreaded replacing them after having shopped a bit here and there. BUT......They had to go before they "gave out" at the wrong time.

I thought I'd die from trying on ski pants. Finally I found a pair with fabric that had some "give" to it. Otherwise I'd still be in the fitting room. I usually wear a size 6 but bought ski pants size 10. (not stretch pants but with a stretch pants feel)

I like to look like a girl so I get discouraged at the "boxy" style of clothing being marketed for me and my peers. How often do you see skiers from a distance and wonder if they are male or female?

Took me forever to find a nice coat with a female line. Finally broke down and bought the Marker I wanted but paid dearly. I'll wear it for several years and get my money's worth.
post #35 of 93
My problem is finding women's pants that aren't low-riders or hiphuggers. Found a pair of pants last weekend. Nice fleece liner, zipper vents on the sides, and pockets, in my size and the price was right. Went to try them on, and they sat around my hips. Once I have my long underwear on (which goes to my WAIST) I sure don't want my snow pants hanging around my hips. Yech.
The other pants available that went to my waist were just nylon junk. No vents, no features.
I'm too afraid to buy anything on-line, for fear that it will be another pair of low-riders.
post #36 of 93
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Originally Posted by Lori_K
My problem is finding women's pants that aren't low-riders or hiphuggers. Found a pair of pants last weekend. Nice fleece liner, zipper vents on the sides, and pockets, in my size and the price was right. Went to try them on, and they sat around my hips. Once I have my long underwear on (which goes to my WAIST) I sure don't want my snow pants hanging around my hips. Yech.
The other pants available that went to my waist were just nylon junk. No vents, no features.
I'm too afraid to buy anything on-line, for fear that it will be another pair of low-riders.
Low riders are fine for jeans, but I don't need snow all over my midsection.

Buy anything that's a mountaineering cut - Arc'teryx, Cloudveil, Mammut, etc. So yeah, those are all expensive, but they are cut to fit properly and comfortably without being baggy and they'll last forever. It's worth the extra money. I wish they'd make them with belt loops since apparently my waist is too small for my hips, but they do actually go up to your waist.
post #37 of 93
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Originally Posted by trekchick
Problems here too!
I have a 26" waist, and 38" hips. So.....you guessed it.....if they fit in the waist, they won't zip and if they fit in the hips I have a massive gap around the waist. Maybe I looked like a gaper with my old stretch pants but I dreaded replacing them after having shopped a bit here and there. BUT......They had to go before they "gave out" at the wrong time.

I thought I'd die from trying on ski pants. Finally I found a pair with fabric that had some "give" to it. Otherwise I'd still be in the fitting room. I usually wear a size 6 but bought ski pants size 10. (not stretch pants but with a stretch pants feel)

I like to look like a girl so I get discouraged at the "boxy" style of clothing being marketed for me and my peers. How often do you see skiers from a distance and wonder if they are male or female?

Took me forever to find a nice coat with a female line. Finally broke down and bought the Marker I wanted but paid dearly. I'll wear it for several years and get my money's worth.

I did find a pair of Isis "Lucy" pants in a size 10, which do fit my curves - and I'm the same proportions as you. I haven't taken the tags off yet, after discovering that my knee braces barely fit under them and I'm afraid I'll rip them at the knees.

I'd sell them to you for $75 plus shipping if you're in need of new pants. Black, size 10, purple fleecy lining, with a nice fitted waist that accomodates curves and goes up to your waist. Or you just may want to keep the Isis brand in mind next time you're looking - they only make women's clothing.
post #38 of 93
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Originally Posted by oboe
28 WAIST?! $h!t, I'm 5'8" 154 lbs, and I would die of asphyxiation in a waist that small! The last time I wore a 28 waist I was fourteen years old!
You should have seen most of the guys on my cross country team in college. Several of the guys were 5 foot 10, 130lbs, and one guy was 6 foot 2, 145lbs. Compared to them, I looked like a bodybuilder!
post #39 of 93
Thread Starter 
This is good stuff, people.

I don't think I want to buy from an online supplier. Sending things back and forth gets spendy when you're trying to find a good fit.

Huckingfellers, you don't want to see a size 14 or above arse in stretch pants. Trust me. :

I'm getting the idea that even the 'right' size women are having trouble.

If you're a size 8, you're right in the middle of what is stocked everywhere. To know you're still not getting a good fit tells me more women need to be designing ski wear.

I wish I had two things: The talent and the start up costs!!!
post #40 of 93
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Originally Posted by trekchick
I like to look like a girl so I get discouraged at the "boxy" style of clothing being marketed for me and my peers. How often do you see skiers from a distance and wonder if they are male or female?
Agreed! Most of the young boarder babes look like guys in their baggy attire. A loss!

I'm not sure I get it. Do they dislike their curves?

From the male perspective, female shape adds to the scenery. Stretch pants, while impractical, were lovely to behold.
post #41 of 93
Yep - going to have to agree with the general consensus on women's ski attire......since I weight train, I have large quads which won't fit into those stretch pants ski pant things.....plus the waists are usually too big so I have to wear a belt......and most pants are either just a little too tight or too big....well with my helmet I don't usually look cute on ski day anyway so I guess it's just an overall unattractive looking sport... :
post #42 of 93
I dunno, but I'm not at the ski hill to garner male attention. I save that for the lingerie in the hotel room later that night ....boxy clothes are fine by me, as long as they function and don't get in my way or fall down.

K.
post #43 of 93
Maybe it's just the guys I hang around, but they tend to laugh at women who are dressed in ski clothes that are intended to look sexy, and are drooling over women who rip and are dressed in appropriate technical wear.

So based on that, I could care less about my ski gear being more attractive - but functional to fit a wide variety of figures is appreciated. And I think companies like Isis have done a good job with making women's gear - the problem is that you don't see Isis in many shops. I also think that the high end companies do a good job of making clothes that fit well, but you pay for it. I probably sound like a broken record, but I do think that many of the higher end products are worth the extra money.
post #44 of 93
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Originally Posted by altagirl
Maybe it's just the guys I hang around, but they tend to laugh at women who are dressed in ski clothes that are intended to look sexy, and are drooling over women who rip and are dressed in appropriate technical wear.

So based on that, I could care less about my ski gear being more attractive - but functional to fit a wide variety of figures is appreciated. And I think companies like Isis have done a good job with making women's gear - the problem is that you don't see Isis in many shops. I also think that the high end companies do a good job of making clothes that fit well, but you pay for it. I probably sound like a broken record, but I do think that many of the higher end products are worth the extra money.
I don't doubt the higher end stuff is worth a premium. I, currently, have Hard Corp patrol stuff and have owned other higher end stuff in the past and getting stuck out in really really nasty weather in great gear is almost OK---but tolerable.

I went this afternoon to the closest place that has Isis stuff and wanna know what I found? I'll grant you it is the end of the purchasing mad dash----

One rack with 4 coats on it. If you wanted Pantagonia or TNF---there was scads of that in this shop.

It was a recon stop though, so I was not too disapointed---I was impressed with the quality of the jackets and the prices were Ok---so I'll be dragging Bonni out to a few places when the craziness subsides!

Who knows maybe she'll at least try on some cloudveil---assuming I can find some here --- or arc---whatever (can't say it and can't spell it)

I reason that if it fits, and is functional---thats the key.

J
post #45 of 93
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Originally Posted by Kimmyt
I dunno, but I'm not at the ski hill to garner male attention. I save that for the lingerie in the hotel room later that night ....boxy clothes are fine by me, as long as they function and don't get in my way or fall down.

K.
I definitely agree with comfort! I also agree that the women who target the sexy look and the "just came from the salon" doo, don't impress me. But I still want to look like a girl.

There are companies who make male and female clothing with the same cut and style. Guess what? We are built different!
post #46 of 93
Yeah I don't want to see women with "diaper butt" skiing all around.



My wife just picked up some North Face Gore Tex pants that were on clearance for $100 and they fit her pretty well.

She likes the fit of them and they look good.

I think she said the only issue is you have to unzip one side of the leg to go to the bathroom.

She had been buying snowboarding pants before then.
post #47 of 93
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Originally Posted by Ullr
Well my wife has the opposite problem. She is 5'7 - 5'8 and wears a size 4. Every pair of pants she tries on are like floods. Sure they make some pants in long sizes, but they are very hard to find. Over the past several years we visit every ski shop we drive by just to look for pants for her. In all that time (and checking e-bay regularly) we have found exactly two pairs that fit her!
What brand? This is my problem. 5'9", size 6, 34" inseam. I just want to keep my cuffs over my boots when I'm on the lift, and the snow out of my boots when I'm in powder.

Long legs on a skinny child are an even bigger problem. We spent months searching for pants for my daughter, who's almost 8. Finally last year we just altered her size 4/5 Convert pants, which she loves. My mother-in-law is a great seamstress, and she added about 5 inches of material to the bottom of the legs. The pants look "cool" and they aren't big baggy boxy droopy drawers. Maybe I'll have her do that for me, too, now that I think about it....
post #48 of 93
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Originally Posted by trekchick
Problems here too!
I have a 26" waist, and 38" hips. So.....you guessed it.....if they fit in the waist, they won't zip and if they fit in the hips I have a massive gap around the waist. Maybe I looked like a gaper with my old stretch pants but I dreaded replacing them after having shopped a bit here and there. BUT......They had to go before they "gave out" at the wrong time.

I thought I'd die from trying on ski pants. Finally I found a pair with fabric that had some "give" to it. Otherwise I'd still be in the fitting room. I usually wear a size 6 but bought ski pants size 10. (not stretch pants but with a stretch pants feel)

I like to look like a girl so I get discouraged at the "boxy" style of clothing being marketed for me and my peers. How often do you see skiers from a distance and wonder if they are male or female?

Took me forever to find a nice coat with a female line. Finally broke down and bought the Marker I wanted but paid dearly. I'll wear it for several years and get my money's worth.
I have some Marmot pants that are nice and small in the waist. I think it's the Jackson pant, but they're about 5 years old, so I don't know if they are still cut the same). I'm close to your size in the waist and hips (I have an 11-in. difference), and they fit very well. (Length is another issue, but they aren't too bad.)
post #49 of 93
Getting good-fitting technical gear for my size 2 wife is a challenge, to say the least.
post #50 of 93
I have two daughters, and one wife. They have all informed me that women's sizing in ANY CLOTHING is a joke. There is no consistancy. The numbers are meaningless. Why would you expect ski clothes for women to be any different.:
post #51 of 93
I'm 5'6", athletically built, and wear a size 6. Cloudveil, and Arcterex fit me extremely well. These companies offer sizes for curvier and more slightly built females, too.

The clothing from these companies is well designed and tends to last a long time. IMHO, these products are definitely worth the extra $$$ you pay for them.
post #52 of 93
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Originally Posted by cloudpeak
I'm 5'6", athletically built, and wear a size 6. Cloudveil, and Arcterex fit me extremely well. These companies offer sizes for curvier and more slightly built females, too.

The clothing from these companies is well designed and tends to last a long time. IMHO, these products are definitely worth the extra $$$ you pay for them.
And I'll drag Bonni out to try these brands on when I find them locally.
post #53 of 93
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Originally Posted by jenscats5
Yep - going to have to agree with the general consensus on women's ski attire......since I weight train, I have large quads which won't fit into those stretch pants ski pant things.....plus the waists are usually too big so I have to wear a belt......and most pants are either just a little too tight or too big....well with my helmet I don't usually look cute on ski day anyway so I guess it's just an overall unattractive looking sport... :
That's a bummer, too, because skiing used to be about the sexiest sport around.

Whatever happened to Descente? I haven't shopped for pure ski clothes for a million years, but they made clothes for men and women who looked like men and women. My favorite pair of ski pants is and remains an old pair of black Descentes. Full zip, fit nicely over my boots and STAY THERE all day, fit the waist and quads both (an issue for me). Back in the day I used to wear a Descente powder suit. I couldn't ski for sh*t back then, but I sure looked good in the lift line...

Bonni, look to mountaineering clothing rather than pure ski brands. Yes, more expensive, but higher quality and longer lasting and loaded with features. Current outer shell is a Marmot. Arc'teryx, Mountain Hardware also make good stuff. I've got a great Mountain Hardware softshell that does look like a girl's in there when I take the goretex off. Both perform beautifully and regularly in extremely ugly conditions, and if it's not wet out the softshell over ski pants does make it appear that there's a chica on the hill. (That only matters when the chica is skiing well, BTW...) :

Outlet stores are your friends. The Sierra Trading Post stores, for example, are just gold mines of good buys on name brand stuff.
post #54 of 93
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Originally Posted by skier_j
And I'll drag Bonni out to try these brands on when I find them locally.
Not sure where in VT you are...I got my ski boots at a store in Barre, Peter Glenn. They had some pretty things, and according to their website some of their clothing is on sale too. Good luck!
post #55 of 93
Well, I'm short and fat and waistless, and I find Spyder and Rossignol fit me reasonaboly OK. Forget DNA/Descente if you're a short block. It's ugly.

Helly dacks were good, until the stitching gave way. but initally, the fit was good.

Fot ladies with hips and waists, ignore the above, as I have neither.
post #56 of 93
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Originally Posted by mountaingirl1961
...Bonni, look to mountaineering clothing rather than pure ski brands. Yes, more expensive, but higher quality and longer lasting and loaded with features. ...
I'll second this, along with the others. My aforementioned Marmot pants are bombproof. I kinda want some new ones, just because, but they are still in such good shape I can't justify it -- although I must admit if I could ever find the perfect pair I'd buy them. And don't even talk to me about features: pockets anyone? How can you ski without pockets? So many pants have the most useless pockets, if any.

I think the Marmot pants were about $200 new, but over 5 seasons, not so bad. And I bet they'd last more than 10 with a little duct tape. I still have some old red Gore Tex pants that must be almost 20 years old -- the brand is defunct, Windy Pass? Windy Peak? It was a North Face spinoff. They're in great shape still, except the elastic in the waist and cuffs is so old that it dried out and doesn't "work" anymore.
post #57 of 93
One more post: I don't think anyone has mentioned Salomon yet. Not a mountaineering brand, but I've been impressed with their stuff. The cut fits me, at least, and I like the clean, nonfussy style (I'm not a fan of the Spyder/Marker flashy colorblocked stuff). Prices are relatively reasonable. They have some neat-looking layered softshell "system" jackets out there this season.
post #58 of 93
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Originally Posted by steveturner
I know my 50 year old wife would jump at warm, comfortable, properly sized feminine ski wear. She doesn't want to dress like a boarder babe or a man. She wore several nice, warm, well fitted (not high fashion) ski suites for several years after they were out of style because they were both warm and feminine. There is an opportunity here for someone.
I agree, and was thinking recently (while trying on jackets) that somebody ought to make them for us ladies who are more than 115 lbs, as there's definitely a market. So here goes my rant - as another 50 year old, I have trouble in the hip area with jackets that are cut for a young, youthful SLIM body. I wear a size 10 in jeans and am not overweight, but often have to go to a 12 or even a 14 jacket. A lot of ski shops don't even stock size 14. I guess only little women ski! I love Obermeyer jackets, and I have three - a size 10, a 12, and my new one is a size 14. All of them fit about the same. If it is a slim cut I have to go larger. And lets not forget we have to fit underwear, sweaters and bibs! Snow gaiters, don't even go there - they are way too snug and uncomfortable, and a lot of ladies jackets don't have them detachable like the mens'. A larger size jacket usually has humongously long sleeves, as if they're meant for a well proportioned Amazon. At a ski shop on the mountain today I saw an Obermeyer jacket that I got last year on clearance (size 10, too tight, giving it to my 105 lb daughter for xmas, as it was too tight to fit my 5 ft 120 lb daughter) in sizes 18 and 20. Larger sizes are being made, just not stocked by the shops.
post #59 of 93
I agree with whoever mentioned the mountaineering brands.

Specifically, forget about going to a Ski Shop! If you live in an area with any decent rock in it, head for the climbing gear shops. They will have a variety of top of the line gear, and most have a very good variety in women's clothes as well. Shell pants are shell pants, and in my opinion, mountaineering clothes, along with being extremely durable, are dead sexy. But that may be because I'm a climber. Also, many will carry the ski-specific clothes in brands you can't normally find (see below) because lots of climbers do the backcountry skiing thing.

Arc'Teryx and Cloudveil and Marmot make very nice techy clothes. They are expensive, but they seem to be a better quality for the money than the Patagucci and TNF stuff you find at a normal ski shop.

K.
post #60 of 93
I found a pair of Helly Hansen pants that fit many years ago. When the thread rotted I sent them back to the company to be restitiched (no charge). I guess I've had the pants 10 years now. (I haven't been able to find another pair that fits and that zips down both sides.) Good company. Good pants.
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