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Is hitting rails bad for your skiis?

post #1 of 18
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I was thinking about trying to hit some rails in the park this season, but I am not sure what the effects on my skiis will be. Can you do serious damage to your edges/bases?

I think it would be fun to dabble in the park but I dont want to spend a ton for a base repair to do it.
post #2 of 18
It is bad if you dont do it right, but if you do it properly everytime, it wont hurt them too much if it is a good rail, but you wont do it perfectly everytime. and evry rail isnt perfect, so there is the possibility for damage. My bases are still preatty decent, but they are park skis, and the bases are probably harder. most of the damage is to my edges directly under my foot. I'd say go for it, but learn to do it on your rock skis, or a pair you dont mind messig up a litttle bit
post #3 of 18
Let's see metal on metal. Nah,no damage there. Of course it will ruin your skis.:
post #4 of 18
I don't know about your skiis, but it'll do a job on your skis.
post #5 of 18
Yes it will ruin your edges. Your skis will wear out faster too, but some skis are made especially for that purpose and will last longer. I suggest you look into buying park-specific skis if you plan on hitting rails and such. Jumps and pipes should be no problem however.
post #6 of 18
Ruined edges on park skis isn't necessarily a bad thing. Lots of jibber skiers and boarders dull the edges under their feet on purpose to avoid catching an edge on the rail or box.
post #7 of 18
typical concerns or rail damage are cracking the edges (from landing hard on the rail), dulling the edge, and pulling the edge out.

Technically all of these can be repaired, but if you are just learning rails I would recomend getting a cheap pair of skis that you don't care if you damage.
post #8 of 18
I agree with going with cheap or rental equipment until you are proficient. Once you ride rails well, there should be little or no damage done to your equipment. The idea is to ride on a flat base. If you do that, there is no damage to your edges. Unless there is a bur on the rail, you will not do any damage to your base either. I always go once through the park and check the rails I plan to ride for burs before ever getting on them. I actually could care less about what they do to my bases, I am more worried about catching an edge on a bur. I did it once and I don't plan on experiencing that pain again.
post #9 of 18
The rails will wear your edges (and base) more than snow, obviously. If you slide rails a lot, you'll wear a groove into your bases and edges. There's nothing you can do about that.
post #10 of 18
SSH,
Do you have grooves in your equipment? I have done hundreds (thousands?) of rails (and weigh 230) and have no grooves to show for it. Maybe it is because I meticulously maintain my equipment? Maybe daily waxing makes a difference? The only times I have ever dulled an edge are when I was learning and messed up. I make it my goal to never get on edge on a rail.
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by boarderline
Ruined edges on park skis isn't necessarily a bad thing. Lots of jibber skiers and boarders dull the edges under their feet on purpose to avoid catching an edge on the rail or box.
Beveling is one thing, but dulling is another. I have used a high bevel in the past to make riding rails smoother. It definitely made it difficult to get on edge on a rail. I found that I did not like the loss of response on the snow enough to advocate beveling for rails. Some guys swear by it.

To me, the approach and mount on a rail are the most important part so losing response by beveling is counterproductive (for me). If my approach is clean, I will have flat bases and will not have to worry about edges.

As for dulling your edges, it really does not help much - if you catch a bur, you will still slam. If you are on your uphill edge, you will still slam. Then you have dull edges that do nothing on the snow, so it is a lose/lose situation.
post #12 of 18
Could be the equipment, too. I don't slide rails on my gear for this reason. I have seen others' gear with grooves in them, so I know that it happens. You may be one of the rare folks that's good enough that this doesn't apply. I didn't know there were any, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

I just don't think that's going to be typical. Everyone I know who slides rails effectively messes up their skis for other purposes.
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by ssh
You may be one of the rare folks that's good enough that this doesn't apply.
I can say with some authority that this is not it.
post #14 of 18
Definitely make sure to check each rail and box you plan on hitting for rust/burrs/screws before ever touching it with your skis- I tore a 2"x1" horizontal gouge out of the bases of my Public Enemies last year on a box due to a screw sticking out just slightly. I was very lucky it didn't tear the edge out, but it flipped me onto my head when it did it the edge. Generally, rails and boxes aren't going to do much damage to your skis unless they're rusty or have lots of imperfectons in the surface, and most parks are pretty good about taking care of this.
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by philsthrills
I can say with some authority that this is not it.
Really? Then I would really enjoy hearing the support behind your claims. I'll leave it at that..
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by BakerBoy
Really? Then I would really enjoy hearing the support behind your claims. I'll leave it at that..
I don't know what you thought that I meant, but I was saying that I am not that good. Nonetheless, there are no grooves on any of my equipment.

I know that materials like nylon wear better than steel. In other words, rub nylon and steel together and the steel wears through first (so I am told). I don't know whether this is the same for your base, but I suspect that it is true. Gouging and scratching are different stories. Generally the people that say that it is bad for your base are the people who do not ride rails.
post #17 of 18

Wha??

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Originally Posted by philsthrills
SSH,
Do you have grooves in your equipment? I have done hundreds (thousands?) of rails (and weigh 230) and have no grooves to show for it. Maybe it is because I meticulously maintain my equipment? Maybe daily waxing makes a difference? The only times I have ever dulled an edge are when I was learning and messed up. I make it my goal to never get on edge on a rail.
How would you explain that you don't put your edges on the rails? I am dying to know...

I know some serious jibbers, and their equipment is trashed. That is- works great for what they do, but aren't worth shee*t on hard snow. Just what you'd expect. They are the first to admit that they don't care about that anyway.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by warematt
How would you explain that you don't put your edges on the rails? I am dying to know...

I know some serious jibbers, and their equipment is trashed. That is- works great for what they do, but aren't worth shee*t on hard snow. Just what you'd expect. They are the first to admit that they don't care about that anyway.

My stuff looks trashed- massive gouges on the skis, sections of sidewall nearly ripped out- but my bases and edges are in perfect shape. When I get core shots, I fill them in. When I nick an edge, I sharpen them. It rarely occurs in the park though- It happens offpiste on rocks and other sumbmerged hazards. When you see a jib ski tht is absolutely trashed, its almost always the result of either offpiste or urban jibbing- landing where there is only a narrow strip of snow laid out or skiing directly onto pavement.

And as far as putting your edges on the rails- get onto your edges on a rail and you'll end up on your ass. This is why a lot of folks will change their base bevel to 2 degrees or detune the edges to keep them off the rail.
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