Originally Posted by Ron White
I have first hour beginners nicely engaging their ski in a wedge turn, at the top of the turn on easy greens, and some instructors that never engage their ski until the fall line on easy blues, not to mention blacks. it is all about being able to get on your downhill edges and not just using uphill edges. The more direct the turn entry, the sooner the downhill edges are engaged. If beginners can do it after an hour of skiing, more experienced skiers can do it too, if they move through the transition in a similar manner that I teach beginners.
So, it should be at what ever angle (minus a few degrees) the turn was finished at, regardless of the steepness of the slope.
Ron I do not disagree with anything you have said here but I will use the opportunity your post provides to jump out of the box and look at this from an entirely different angle.
Your example of the wedge turn validates this “out of the box” approach. Go out on the slopes and carve a turn from a dead stop from across the fall line to 180 degrees across the fall line.
Virtually all instructors that I ask to do this look at me and say that’s impossible. Then I do it. Carve downhill on the uphill edges until the edges switch then carve the remainder of the turn on the downhill edges. The inside ski on a gliding wedge turn validates a scarve or a carve turn downhill on uphill edges. It’s too bad that soon after the beginner lesson skiers lose this valuable lesson.
Too many of us look at this as an early engagement of the downhill edges instead of a CM movement/turn force/slope problem. I say, when centrifugal force equals gravity the edges should change whether carving or scarving. If gravity is greater than centrifugal force then we should be resisting the forces on the uphill, not the downhill edges.
This completely eliminates the initial steering angle thing as the top part of the turn is a scarve or carve on uphill edges. This also eliminates doing inefficient things in order to switch the edges before turn dynamics would dictate it.
This is the key to seamless transitions. Forward movement sufficient enough to allow the tips to seek the fall line on uphill edges, tipping of the inside foot until the edge change happens all on its own. Not forced.
The edge change is then a result of good CM movements that are effectively balanced against the forces of the turn. Depending on dynamics the edge change could happen anywhere from the start of the tips downhill (traditionally thought to be the point of edge change) to nearly the fall line. With fast racing turns, the edge change happens at the top of the turn. With slow speeds on steep terrain, the edge change happens near the fall line.
In any case the uphill edges are working for you at the top of the turn if there is sufficient forward movement, tipping of the inside foot and the CM is not taken into the turn to flatten both skis to quickly.
Through a progressive falling leaf, learning to scarve the top part of a turn on the uphill edges is quite easy. Then actually put it into someone’s skiing. The result is elimination of the glitch at the turn transition and early edge engagement.