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Interesting article.
post #2 of 16
Coach,
At my area, our intent has always been,"if you take good care of the children, the parents will be bringing them back." The 4, 5, & 6 year olds are the industrie's future. 70% of our staff of 300 instructors is dedicated to a children's program in some way, about half of the other 30% "don't teach kids", what a pity not to be part of the future of skiing.

RW
post #3 of 16
Not all people are cut out to teach kids, Ron.
post #4 of 16
Off topic, but what irks me is this quote: "He learned more in three days here in ski school than he learned in three years in New Jersey," said his father".

There seems to be some misconception that you'll learn more if you go out west. In reality, it has nothing to do with WHERE you ski. My guess is that in those 3 years in NJ, he never took a lesson. He goes out west and puts his kid in 3 days of lessons and somehow surmizes that the kid got better because he took him to Colorado.

The problem is that readers will read the quote that way... "Oh, I have to go to Colorado if I want to learn to ski, because you can't learn to ski in NJ? Screw it, I can't afford that."

My guess is that the root of the problem is that when he takes his kid skiing in NJ, he just goes for a couple hours and skis with the kid on familiar trails. But when he takes a vacation, he wants to go ski by himself or with friends, so he puts his kid in ski school only as a way to get away from the kid for a few days. And gee, look at that, the kid actually learned something in ski school! Who'd a thunk it?!

[/rant]
post #5 of 16
Read the last line ... it was "Luke's" first lessons period! I think good old dad had been doing the "teaching" till that point.

There is always a "counter" to a story like that. When I was teaching a beginners class at Shawnee PA, I had a woman who had been on skis before (it was apparent) but she only needed some simple direction to get her turns working. The simple direction was look down the damned hill instead of lots of shoulder rotation.

We were happily doing lots of linked turns for twenty minutes after class was over and she was delighted. She spent the FIVE prior days with her face in the snow.

She had spent the prior (entire), week at Aspen taking lessons. "You taught me more in an hour than a week at Aspen" I don't think this story will make the Denver Post.

She was a neuro surgeon (not yer' average dumb bunny) .... and it came with my first (and last) .... $50 tip!
post #6 of 16
NJ has a ski hill? :
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Read the last line ... it was "Luke's" first lessons period! I think good old dad had been doing the "teaching" till that point.
i think the last line CAN be read as first lessons at Winter Park!

i like to think it's our superior ski school!
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by article
Luke said it was his dad's idea for him to take lessons. By the end of his first day of lessons, he said, he was asking for more.
Those lessons could have been in New Jersey. You don't know where he took his first lessons, only that he took some here in Colorado. It also doesn't say that he took lessons in New Jersey. So, hard to tell what it means.

I didn't read it like the East Coasters did, FWIW. I just read it to say that taking lessons helps, regardless of where they are taken, and the industry is focusing on kids and beginners. (Not sure I buy that entirely, but I know that's what "the industry" wants to do.)
post #9 of 16
"By the end of his first day of lessons he was asking for more"

I took that to mean he had never taken lessons ... also says he was in "ski school" .... "taking a snowboard lesson" ...

Hey! The thing is pure ad hype and promo.

NJ does have one crowded but decent area and has sent a few to the Olympics ... Donna Weinbrecht and her .... brother ???

I had been teaching in the Poconos .... not much better .... shorter ride for men than Mountain Creek in NJ.
post #10 of 16
ssh,

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Not all people are cut out to teach kids, Ron.
I totally agree, and IMHO, they are not cut out to teach period.

RW
post #11 of 16

the truth be told!

Rusty was probably right and if there was one "goofball" instructor west of the Mississippi ..... she probably found him.

But for a first year instructor at a third rate hill .... How do you think I felt?

For about twenty minutes ... "I was a legend in my own mind" ...
post #12 of 16
I don't have any numbers to back up my observation, but our children's learning center in PA is constantly sold out.

I think the best deal going is our camp program. The staff takes care of rental equipment, getting them dressed, instruction, day care and lunch or snacks.

The parents can then lesiurely get ready, ski all morning then pick the kids up for lunch and ski together in the afternoon. Or the kids can stay in a full day camp with four hours of instruction. Even with a never-ever, you can do a whole lot in four hours.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Read the last line ... it was "Luke's" first lessons period! I think good old dad had been doing the "teaching" till that point.

There is always a "counter" to a story like that. When I was teaching a beginners class at Shawnee PA, I had a woman who had been on skis before (it was apparent) but she only needed some simple direction to get her turns working. The simple direction was look down the damned hill instead of lots of shoulder rotation.

We were happily doing lots of linked turns for twenty minutes after class was over and she was delighted. She spent the FIVE prior days with her face in the snow.

She had spent the prior (entire), week at Aspen taking lessons. "You taught me more in an hour than a week at Aspen" I don't think this story will make the Denver Post.

She was a neuro surgeon (not yer' average dumb bunny) .... and it came with my first (and last) .... $50 tip!
Snap - only I was the student on Monday - and not with you but with one of the ESS guys here in Port Du Soleil.

After 2 hours private lessons, I was turning, carving, sliding and able to hockey stop on left or right turns.

My 5th day on snow - with the right instructor it is worth every cent.

My 6 year old is on his second afternoon today and is snow ploughing, proud as punch dad, my 4 year old wants to go Heli skiing .....
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Ron White
ssh,



I totally agree, and IMHO, they are not cut out to teach period.

RW

To work with really little kids (the 3 and 4 year olds) you have to get down on your knees repeatedly and spend a lot of time lifting little bodies weighed down with skis and boots. That's not something my old back tolerates well. I can stoop down to be eye-to-eye friendly with a 5 or 6-year old if necessary. The ski school kindly usually lets me work with the kids seven and up, fortunately. I think I make a valuable contribution even if I can't do the smallest students much good.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by JohnH
Off topic, but what irks me is this quote: "He learned more in three days here in ski school than he learned in three years in New Jersey," said his father".

There seems to be some misconception that you'll learn more if you go out west. In reality, it has nothing to do with WHERE you ski. My guess is that in those 3 years in NJ, he never took a lesson. He goes out west and puts his kid in 3 days of lessons and somehow surmizes that the kid got better because he took him to Colorado.
maybe the kid found the softer snow easier to balance on, and improved for that reason.

my mother quit skiing in the East. she was willing to ski in the West and in Europe where and when the snow's softer.

but you're absolutely right in criticizing the notion that the only good coaches and instructors are in the west. sometimes they're at tiny little ski areas that have less than 1000 vert ft.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by SkiDogNW
NJ has a ski hill? :
I will put my hand on the Unholy Bible (the list of MSRP prices for ski gear) and swear thusly:

in 1987 I skied at Great Gorge/Vernon Valley in Vernon, NJ. coincidentally, this was the home mountain of former mogul ski champ Donna Weinbrecht.

but yeah, it's not much of a ski hill.
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