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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
me: 5"10" 158 lbs, 25 y.o. expert skier who missed a season for the first time ever last year due to 2 medial meniscus repairs on the right knee. The first DR flubbed it...

anyway, I need a midfat that will be the one ski i take on trips when i don't feel like carting around both my volkl 6 stars and salomon pocket rockets. Looking for something somewhat forgiving as i'm a tad nervous about getting back on the hill after the year off, and a bit glum about the fact that i've been advised to modify my style (i.e. stop jumping off things and skiing bumps)...

my favorite ski of all time was probably the 1st generation volkl vertigo motion.

I'm considering the following and would love comments on them or others in the category:

Volkl Unlimited AC 4 or Mantra
k2: Outlaw or RECON
Dynastar 8000
Atomic Metron M: EX


THANKS ALOT!
post #2 of 17
All good skis on your list!

The Recon is a great compromise ski, and one that would be a bit easier on your knees than some others (like the AC 4). that's the one I'd suggest to put at the top of your list. The 8000 is light and lively, and may be a bit livelier than you want right now. The M:EX is a nice ski, but I would put the other two ahead of it for what you want, because it's a bit more of a GS feel (just go fast).
post #3 of 17
You could throw a dart at that list and not make a bad choice. See which one you can get a better deal on.
post #4 of 17
Throw a dart at any of them but the K2s. If you can, avoid as many products made in China as possible. This is not always possible, but with skis I think there are more choices with similar or better performance that can be had for the same or close to the same price and in most instances less if you shop around.
post #5 of 17
"If you can, avoid as many products made in China as possible."

K2 owns Volkl now... So I'm not sure whether this year's Volkls are made in China or not, but someone in a store told me they were. I'd look @ my AC4s, but they're in my garage right now.

http://www.skipressworld.com/us/en/d... ?cat=Finance

James
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by bogusbill
If you can, avoid as many products made in China as possible.
Why?
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by flip
Why?
For political reasons. Let's keep those conversations out of the skiing forums here (take 'em to the Lounge if you want).
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by ssh
For political reasons. Let's keep those conversations out of the skiing forums here (take 'em to the Lounge if you want).
That's not neccessarily a political point--there's something to be said for 1st world craftsmanship vs emerging world mechanization. Also-Euro-built skis often have dependable national characteristics-there is an 'Austrian' feel, a French feel and Swiss (etc). These National characteristics are neither absolute nor ubiquitous-but they certainly find there wy into mmuch of the present ski design and fabrication. Not sure there's a Chinese ski culture built into ski design yet.

However-with that said, I just bought a set of k2 crossfires as my everyday patrol ski--designed in the USA fashioned in China-finished on Vashon.

Remember-before 1980 'Made in japan" meant low quality, cheap knock-off junk---but not so anymore.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by ssh
All good skis on your list!

The Recon is a great compromise ski, and one that would be a bit easier on your knees than some others (like the AC 4). that's the one I'd suggest to put at the top of your list. The 8000 is light and lively, and may be a bit livelier than you want right now. The M:EX is a nice ski, but I would put the other two ahead of it for what you want, because it's a bit more of a GS feel (just go fast).
This pretty much sums it up.
I demoed the 8000's & the metrons this past season & really liked the feel.
I own the k2 axis xp (aka recon)
The ride is smooth & stable, but they take a little more effort in tight situations, like in trees.
The other two were quicker, & easier in short arcs, but I still prefer the stability of my k2's.

Ray
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by Snowdrum
me: 5"10" 158 lbs, 25 y.o. expert skier ...

I'm considering the following and would love comments on them or others in the category:

Volkl Unlimited AC 4 or Mantra
k2: Outlaw or RECON
Dynastar 8000
Atomic Metron M: EX


THANKS ALOT!
Hi SD,

Also consider the Fischer AMC 76 120-76-106cm sidecut. Light feeling with good on-piste/off-piste performance.

See this review for more info: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...ht=Fischer+AMC

Cheers,

Michael
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks, everyone, for your insight...
Anyone had any experience on the Volkl karma? How about a comparision btw the karma and AC4?

thanks.
post #12 of 17
You want a mid-fat right? This ski is not on your list...but I just took my 4frnt MSP's to Vail for the weekend..(powder day)...and they rocked hard core....I smoked everyone that was on a ski with a waiste under 80
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Snowdrum
Thanks, everyone, for your insight...
Anyone had any experience on the Volkl karma? How about a comparision btw the karma and AC4?

thanks.
The Karma is almost as wide as your PR's and while easy going for a Volkl might not be what you are looking for.

For a nice mid-fat that won't push you or spank you if you mess up, the Recon or the B2 would get the nod from me.

SJ
post #14 of 17
You might want to check out the Scott Santiago Mission. Not a lot of press on the ski but Im skiing it as my everyday Park City ski and I like it better than my Recons. Very forgiving, 89 under foot and a 14 radius @ 178, turns easy and fat enough to float. Just my opinion
post #15 of 17
Wow, pcdano, that skis looks sweet! Where might I find it around Snowbird? Do you know? Might be worth a demo while I'm at the ESA!
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by ssh
Wow, pcdano, that skis looks sweet! Where might I find it around Snowbird? Do you know? Might be worth a demo while I'm at the ESA!
Hey Steve, Utah Ski and Golf in SLC and Park City has the ski. They are usually pretty good about setting up anything they have to demo. Scott skis have been in europe for years, but only now in the US...dont ask me why? They were at blast in the 12" of fresh on the west face off Jupiter yesterday.
post #17 of 17
Hmmm... Might be tough to get down canyon to do that, but worth considering...
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