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to tune or not to tune?!?

post #1 of 15
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I just bought a pair of the 06 Atomic Metron B5s in 172. I have to tell you that I LOVE these skis. Demoed them the other day. WOW!!! But that is not the point of this thread.

They were in the wrapper so they have not been skied yet. But when I got home I was checking them out in more detail and it seems like the edges are not sharp at all (could not cut warm butter) especially near the large part of the shovel. I know to slightly detune the edges near the very front but it extends for about 8 or more inches. Does the factory detune them on purpose??

I do not normally get edging and waxing done on new skis out of the wrapper but for some reason these new Atomics (first pair of Atomics by the way, have 2 pairs of Salomon and 1 pair of Rossis) seem like they need a tuning right out of the wrapper.

Am I crazy or is it the way Atomic does things from the factory or is it just how this ski is suppossed to be tuned???? Should I get them edged/waxed??
post #2 of 15
It depends.

I have gotten Atomics that were great out of the wrapper and most recently my slaloms are pretty dull in the front contact point so I had to sharpen them.

If you dont like how they currently ski then you should tune them or get them tuned.
post #3 of 15
Ski them out of the box ..... after you wax them with real wax.

See how you like them first.
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by Yuki
Ski them out of the box ..... after you wax them with real wax.
2nd.
post #5 of 15
3rd.

Or if you have a good shop tech that you trust, ask him. All skis should be ready to ski right out of the box. It's hard to beat the factory tune. Having said that, not all skis are perfect, some may have been missed by the factory. Nobody is perfect.

BTW do not detune a shaped ski.
post #6 of 15
The advice to ride a ski right "out of the box" should be taken with some caution. Skis that already have preinstalled plates are probably fine, but any ski purchased flat that has to have bindings mounted should be tuned every time in my opinion. That act of drilling holes and tightening screws into the ski core change the geometry of the ski base (for every ski I've ever experienced). The base will no longer be perfectly flat. Also note that the quality of the factory tune will also vary with the "level" of the ski purchased. The top end skis get more tuning attention before they leave the factory.
post #7 of 15
I would bring some brocolli elastics, files, a diamond stone and my side edge guide to the hill, ski them and if I wanted more bite, stop and touch them up.

Definately wax for conditions the night before.
post #8 of 15
Be sure to wax them first.

I see you are in the Denver area...assuming you are going to ski them near home the last thing I would worry about is a razor sharp edge....especially this year.

Go Skiing !
post #9 of 15
Checking the bases with a true bar .... ain't a bad idea.

But with the Atomic and the concave shovel it may be deceptive unless you know what to look for.
post #10 of 15

Tuning B5 Atomics-new

Old 201's yes I detuned tip and tail, but my B5 l62's I don't detune at all. The most important thing when taking to a SHOP do they know what they're doing. A B5 is done at 3 degree side bevel and 1 degree base bevel. Ask the shop what side and base bevel they are going to give your new ski's, if they don't say the above-keep your ski's out of that shop chances are they will really screw them up. Better yet learn to do it yourself. I really like Skiman's tools, 1 degree base guide and 3 deagree side diamond stone guide. Epic's Togner site has these tools. If you do this way send me an E and I'll guide you thru it if you need help. DON'T assume a shop knows what they're doing! Really unusual to get a new pair of Atomics that are dull so yes you can try them that was but I would ragther start off right with them and get them tuned, adhering to the above admonition. Good luck - fun all terrain ski. Enjoy
post #11 of 15
Ke116ngc, there are some great shops up in Summit that will look at them for you and let you know whether they need a tune--and then tune them if they need it.

One is Precision in Frisco (just off I-70 on the first Frico exit--on your left). The other is in the basement of the Holiday Inn on the same exit--drive around back and go into the door in the middle of the building (you'll see the ski mfr signs in the windows). The former is a machine tune using very good machines, the latter a hand-tune.

My guess is that the most you'll need is a stone touch-up. That's all I've done to my new b5s, and I've been on them 4 or 5 times.

If you want to hook up for some turns, drop me a PM. I'll probably be up in Summit (somewhere!) on Monday.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ssh
Ke116ngc, there are some great shops up in Summit that will look at them for you and let you know whether they need a tune--and then tune them if they need it.

One is Precision in Frisco (just off I-70 on the first Frico exit--on your left). The other is in the basement of the Holiday Inn on the same exit--drive around back and go into the door in the middle of the building (you'll see the ski mfr signs in the windows). The former is a machine tune using very good machines, the latter a hand-tune.

My guess is that the most you'll need is a stone touch-up. That's all I've done to my new b5s, and I've been on them 4 or 5 times.

If you want to hook up for some turns, drop me a PM. I'll probably be up in Summit (somewhere!) on Monday.
Headed out of town on early Tuesday. Wife would kill me if the day before we left for 10 days I went skiing. Maybe next time.

As far as the advice goes, thanks everyone. It just struck me as odd that they just did not feel like they should. I just bought a pair of the 06 Salomon Hot's to use as early season beaters and as a pair that my friends can use when they come in town and they were much sharper out of the wrapper. So, that is why when I bought these the other day I was surprised to see that they were not really sharp.

I read about the 3 degrees and the 1 degrees tuning. I usually take my skis to Kevin at Colorado Ski and Golf in Arvada (really close to my office and is easy drop off and pickup). They have done a good job tuning my others so far. They are an authorized Atomic dealer and tuner, so one would expect them to know what to do. Right???

They have always slighty detuned (about an 1 or 2) near the tip of the shovel on my other shaped skis in order to cut down on catching an edge. That was the guys recommendation but I have always been a little hesitant about that. Would everyone agree to sharpen and tune literally from head to toe? Thanks for the input. Some of this skiing stuff is still new to me. I have only been skiing 2 years now (30 years of living in Atlanta will do that to you) and the tuning stuff is what I know least about.
post #13 of 15
I go sharp the whole way...no detune
post #14 of 15
I have not de-tuned a shape ski since I have been on them, from the late 90's.

Never, Nerver, Never
post #15 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ke116ngc
They are an authorized Atomic dealer and tuner, so one would expect them to know what to do. Right???
Perhaps, but not for sure; ask them what bevels they put on skis and see what they say...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ke116ngc
They have always slighty detuned (about an 1 or 2) near the tip of the shovel on my other shaped skis in order to cut down on catching an edge.
This would make me very skeptical; very few people need/desire detuning of their modern shaped skis.
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