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stockli, nordica and then there were 2

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
so,
in my quest for a mid 70mm waited ski that is fun, and holds on ice,
I'm down to 2 that I like,

the hot rod top fuel in a 178 and the stockli stormrider XL in a 174,

the other contenders (head im77 and elan mag 12) just didn't feel as good to me yesterday. I think the tyrolia system skis have different postioning for/aft and different height variation from heel to toe than the markers i usually ski and I felt there was too much shovel and I was back...
but anyway,

anyone have quality time on either of these skis. In my 2 run comparison, the stockli was more substantial and held on ice better, but the nordica being wider and more shapley seemed a bit more versatile. I just loved the rock solid feel of the stocki,
to the point that if I get it, I'm selling my wide ski and getting a stockli for that niche as well. I like the constuction and feeling of the different niche skis to accent each other well...

so, with that in mind, anyone spent any time on the stockli scott schmidt? I like the dimensions in the 178 and it would accent the XL perfectly, but i didn't get to ski it..

As you can see, i'm leaning toward liquidating my quiver and becoming the stockli disciple, but i'm not 100 percent there and am looking for more data...

if you've skied em,
thanks for the comments.

cheers,
wade
post #2 of 21
Thread Starter 

ah come on, someones skied em...

dawg, phil, noodler,
someone here's has to have a data point or 2 to add to my list...

cheers,
w
post #3 of 21
I hav eonly really skied on the stockli race type skis....
Oh and a pair of royal blue ones that got stolen(forget what type)


I have one word of warning.... If you ski on them too long you don't tend to like other skis
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 

decision made

i was driving over to the stockli reps house,
and I realized, I have 2 all day privates, remotely this weekend and am flying with 1 ski. the XL is a bit too short and skiing if it snows and the scott schmidt is a bit stiff and big for skiing hard snow with clients,

and then,
i realized the nordica would be great for trips like this,
don't know what ski, it'd be good...

so, I went and picked up one of those as well. the rep happened to have the 78 for me, and ba boom, i have a new ski for tomorrow.

it may not be as good in the ice as the stockli, but versatility won out.

cheers,
post #5 of 21

Stöckli Stormrider XL

I have the 2005 Stormrider XLs (186) and I love the ski. I ski them here in Utah, mostly at Alta and have found them to be a wonderful ski for going fast on the steeps. Very fast from edge to edge with a pop to rebound back and good grip on hard snow. Also do well in powder as long as it is not that deep (over about 8-12 inches). Can make quick turns, but when on big, black moguls, they take a lot more work, but a lot of that might be my technique. Much better in bumps when there is more snow to plow through. So so in crud.
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 

SO, I bought both..

Crazy, I just couldn't get my mind away from the stocklis, so I bought them as well, I figure I can resale the ones I don't bond with over the next month for around what I get em for (proform).

stocklis are being mounted today!

tHe nordica is a nice ride, though,
I skied it again today at alpine and it is fun and versatile..

cheers
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by Zman
Much better in bumps when there is more snow to plow through. So so in crud.
The SLR's I had were so good in crud... just sort of blasted through it without noticing (assuming you kept them on their edges like they liked to go)....
post #8 of 21
Sorry I'm late to the game...

Now I'm just plain jealous. I have a dozen pairs of skis and yet I still have gear envy. I think you actually made a good choice. I'm riding the XLs again tomorrow (first time since last season) and I'll see what I think of them with the bindings mounted further forward - it was complete insanity to drill another set of holes into the most expensive skis I own, but I really felt that they were TOO stable and didn't initiate turns as fast as I'd like.

We've got more fresh snow in CO so it should be a good day on the Jane tomorrow! Even more so with some Stocklis under my feet.
post #9 of 21
I.....love.....Nordica......Top.....Fuel.......Thu mbs Up

they will be ripping down the Outback at Keystone tomorrow, 9am!!!!
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 

Just Too Many Good Choices These Days!

Thanks for the thougths,
I got both pair of stocklis mounted today, so off to Alpine to play in some hard dry snow.
I like the top fuel, a lot. I just drool over the simplicity and performance of the stocklis.

I'll keep you posted on my progress, I'm off to the Wasatch to ski with some clients Sunday, Monday, so a big decision will be which ski to take...

cheers,
wade
post #11 of 21
Both I'm sure are great skis based on what I've heard from a lot of people here. If you were in demo bindings though, the bindings will be heavier and usually have have different ramp angles than the regular bindings made by the respective companies suitable for the particular model you choose. So you may want to factor that in.
post #12 of 21
Holiday - I'm on your original track. Bought a (pristine) pair of last year's 164 XL's on eBay and tried them at Squaw last week in hard pack conditions. I love the way they react from edge to edge, their stability and the pop coming out of turns. They feel like a race ski but handle like a mid-fat. These are the shortest skis I've had since I was 10 years old and I'm still getting used to that. I also bought a new pair of 174 Stockli DPs. The Schmidts are too big for me and I thought they were too stiff. The DPs haven't gone out yet (too many rocks).
post #13 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holiday
I'll keep you posted on my progress, I'm off to the Wasatch to ski with some clients Sunday, Monday, so a big decision will be which ski to take...
I want your job. What an awesome gig you've got going!
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 

both

still no clear winner after a little time on both, so I'm taking both to utah tomorrow.

the nordica, although substantial, is definitely friendlier,
while the stockli is a bit quicker edge to edge and a tad surefooted in the ice...
as you can see by these words...bit, and tad, these skis are pretty close in performance. they have similiar leanings, but with different feel and high points.

so, we'll see.

Noodler, I used to have it better, this is now the exception rather then the rule with my real estate career. I only take a couple of short trips w/ clients a year and only teach 2 half days with my regulars... other than that, i actually work now.

cheers,
post #15 of 21
So I put in 2 complete days on my newly remounted Stormrider XLs. I absolutely love these skis now. They were great for me everywhere; groomed, bumps, trees, you name it. I'm now positioned 25mm further forward on the skis and they definitely initiate turns faster and really haven't lost anything in the stability. About the only thing I've noticed is that now they don't like to be driven from the tips (too much forward pressure is bad!) - if you just concentrate on keeping your balance right in the middle of the ski they just snap around (with high edge angles of course - this is an 18m ski and needs lots of energy and angles to do anything you would call a short turn).

They're definitely more at home with medium to large turns, but the biggest surprise was how great they were in the moguls now. Last season if I got caught in the back seat it was all over - they would just launch on me and tear out to the bottom of the slope. With only a 25mm change the tails on these skis feel totally different to me. They have a more forgiving feel and don't immediately lurch you forward if you get sat back. I never considered these skis particularly stiff and thought that they should work well in the moguls - now they do for me and I'm ecstatic.

My buddies were getting pissed at me since I was constantly skiing too fast for the group. With these skis it's just too easy to fly down the mountain - they're just so confidence inspiring.

So my Stormrider XLs are finally where I wanted them to be last season - my "go to" skis. I wouldn't have any concerns about taking these any time I can only take 1 pair and I'm not sure what kind of conditions we might run into.
post #16 of 21

XL and Schmidt...?

Is it crazy for me to ask what people's opinions are on picking between XLs and Schmidts? I am an ex-racer (6'1'' 190) moving to Vail and have my GS boards, Slalom boards and Public Enemies. Do I need both? I am worried the XLs wont be good in the pow and the SSs wont rip the courds like I want. Thanks.

Tucker
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by tuckerseverson
Is it crazy for me to ask what people's opinions are on picking between XLs and Schmidts? I am an ex-racer (6'1'' 190) moving to Vail and have my GS boards, Slalom boards and Public Enemies. Do I need both? I am worried the XLs wont be good in the pow and the SSs wont rip the courds like I want. Thanks.

Tucker
I wouldn't want the XLs on a deep day either - that's really not their thing. However, I'd be surprised if the SS wouldn't rip up the groomers. They won't be as quick edge-to-edge, but I've found lately that I prefer the feel of a wider ski (mid 70s to mid 80s) even when carving on groomers - anything less just feels so small and unstable now - like I'm on ice skate blades. My DPs have a 25m sidecut, but they feel great even on groomers and ride just like a really wide GS ski. Looking at your quiver I think the SS would be a nice addition - especially for someone used to the feel of a race construction ski.
post #18 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by tuckerseverson
Is it crazy for me to ask what people's opinions are on picking between XLs and Schmidts? I am an ex-racer (6'1'' 190) moving to Vail and have my GS boards, Slalom boards and Public Enemies. Do I need both? I am worried the XLs wont be good in the pow and the SSs wont rip the courds like I want. Thanks.

Tucker
I have the DP and use it as an every day out west ski. It's the only ski I take when I travel (very rarely do I take my Noridca SUV's...which might be considered the equiv. to your XL. No, they won't rip the cours like you want, but they'll be fun. You might be surprised at they're "carability". Take two if you can!
post #19 of 21

this year's XL

I had to chime in here...... the Stormrider XL has been softened a bit this year. Which IMHO is exactly what it needed. The shape is great.

The AT has been redesigned.... more sidecut.

I haven't ridden a Stockli yet I don't consider a decent crud buster.... of course I ski in the East maybe we have different crud?
post #20 of 21
sounds like the SS pro model is the way to go! Hopefully Ill save up enough $$ when im out there to get the XLs eventually... both would def be awesome! thanks for the help!! I've been milling over this for weeks
post #21 of 21
When I bought my Laser SCs a few months back, the importer wanted to mount the bindings slightly more forward than the mark, but I didn't go for it. No regrets there, they ski beautifully (description of the Stormies reaction to getting back is exactly the same as the SCs!), but it's an interesting thing to read.
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