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What went wrong with these boots?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Question for the Bears.

I have skiied in the same Salomon Equipe Racing 9.1 w/custom orthotic, thermals pulled up so not in the boot, for years now. 4 years ago I replaced the liner w/a Thermoflex. These boots fit me like a glove and never had any pain, slop, or anything negative ...until now: . I felt some pain on my left shin towards the end of the first day. I pulled up on my socks to make sure there were no wrinkles and went on my way. Bottom line after two days I now have 1/4" wide X 1 1/4" long open sore: on my shin. I kept unbuckling and checking for wrinkles or anything that would cause this pain but found no source.

Two questions:

1. What the hell changed to cause this wound?
2. What materials would you use to create a shim so I can prevent this occuring again? I'm thinking a tapered oval with the middle cut out to go over the wound, or tape the shim onto the front of the tongue.

I am open to your suggestions as this has thrown a curve and hoping the bears can shed some light on this situation. Cheers.
post #2 of 18
your idea for a shim to cover the wound sounds solid.
For what caused it, well could be a whole lot of things;
May have aggrevated the area through repetitive chafing, and bacteria moved in, my best guess.
I would clean the boots with a disenfectant spray available at shoe store.
See if that helps.
Best of luck.
post #3 of 18
The liner may be packing out leaving a gap that allow friction. Buy a Booster Strap and replace the power strap on the boots. This should help restore the fit in the upper boot and prevent the problem.
post #4 of 18

Thermoflex

Check the wrap direction of the liner all the way down into the boot, make sure it's consistent over the entire length with the 'INSIDE' mark on the upper cuff. Sometimes (say, getting ready in a rush) the skier can change the overlap direction midway up the liner.

This can be difficult to spot but painful to experience.

It may also be time to remold. I'm curious as to how well BOOSTER straps would work with a pseudo-mid-entry design: if you do follow Cirquerider's advice, let us know the results.
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Gents,

Comprex wrote:
Quote:
Check the wrap direction of the liner all the way down into the boot, make sure it's consistent over the entire length with the 'INSIDE' mark on the upper cuff. Sometimes (say, getting ready in a rush) the skier can change the overlap direction midway up the liner.
Great thinking, and I wish it was the cause. I checked and they were installed correctly. Good insight .

Quote:
I'm curious as to how well BOOSTER straps would work with a pseudo-mid-entry design
Can you elaborate on your concerns over the use w/pseudo-mid-entry designs?

An additional note: The wound center is about 3" above my foot, pretty low on the shin. If there is too much play in the boot cuff, causing friction would the wound not be higher up the shin?

Keep 'em coming, very much appreciated!!
post #6 of 18
No specific concerns, mostly because it's been years since I shoved my foot into one of those redpink things.

More of an observation that if both the front and rear half of the shell move away from the liner it might be far more convenient to try one of the Y-shaped Velcro-front Nordica Straps by Booster.
post #7 of 18
The booster distributes pressure along the shin by ensuring contact at the top. This does relieve pressure at the ankle and just above. It also helps get a more progressive flex, and prevents the tounge from losing contact with the shin when your weight is back, thereby preventing friction and shin bang when you move back forward. I am not familiar with the Equipe 9.1 boot and am not familiar with the Y-shaped Velcro-front Nordica Straps by Booster suggested by comprex. (link to help??) I think the root cause is your boot liner packed out and you now have excessive room along the top of your foot.
post #8 of 18


Not _quite_ the same boot, but notice the two-part cuff and that the rear half is allowed to pivot. I thought he'd appreciate not having to re-thread the webbing through the strap buckle every time if he used the Nordica.

Official name: Powerstrap, Hot Rod Black in the consumer parts store.
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
Geez, those boots are ugly enough on my feet let alone in front of me on the computer screen: . Yes not the exact boot but basic design is the same.

Can you gents explain what the difference is between the original powerstrap on the boot and getting a new one that does the same basic thing? I crank on my original strap for all I'm worth before heading out and trying to understand the value added with something that does the same basic thing.

Are you all convinced that my problem is the shin banging against the toungue?? Just curious because it has never happened before in the years I have skiied these boots and it seemed strange for this issue to pop up over night. What da ya think?

Once again, I appreciate your input
post #10 of 18
Booster straps are elastic, your powerstraps are not. The difference means they work without impact, make the boot overall stiffer, and keep the tounge in contact with your leg. No hitting a brick wall. Read previous threads:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...hlight=Booster
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...hlight=Booster


I'm sure there is more.
post #11 of 18

Looking at that pic

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wound center is about 3" above my foot
or right about at the bottom buckle on the cuff? How tightly do you have that buckled?

'Overnight' isn't quite right, 'over the summer' might be better. Nothing quite like coming back after an interval for noticing slow progressively accumulating changes.

Have you remoulded your Thermoflex since you've had it in? If not, that might be all it takes, you know. (I would wait for the wound to heal)
post #12 of 18
To help wound heal while still skiing...

get a sheet of hydrogel wound dressing - in Oz it was marketed as Clearsite & changed name to aquasite....

It should be clear(seethrough) & if you push finger in on an angle you should see the top part sort of "wrinkle" as it absorbs the shear pressure....

Strap this down to leg wound with a low friction surfaced tape (maybe opsite tegaderm etc? else mefix/fixomull - but these are not waterproof)....

Affixed with a waterproof dressing film this can stay on for 3-5 days if needed.... do NOT use if wound is infected as it will "sweat" infection into tissues....
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Gents,

Thank you for the beta on the powerstrap , now I understand (says I scratching my chin sagely).

I have not remoulded the Thermoliners since the first time years ago. Is this something that should be done more often?

Yes the wound is under the second buckle from the top. Funny you ask about tightening, this day I was mucking about w/ a little more tightness on the buckles. These boots fit me so well, for years I would ski them with hardly any tension on the buckles at all.

when you say:
Quote:
'Overnight' isn't quite right, 'over the summer' might be better. Nothing quite like coming back after an interval for noticing slow progressively accumulating changes.
can you elaborate on this?

Can anybody recommend what dense rubber material I can use to make a shim to go around the wound. I can tape it to the front of the toungue to protect my wound. Cheers.
post #14 of 18
I had a similar problem this year after my first days back in the boots. What I did was remove the padding from the tongue of a spare pair of liners I had and cut it in half lengthwise. Then glued the pieces to the to the good liner - leaving about a centimeter gap between the pieces where my shin fit. This worked great for me so far.

I had the same problem - skied all last winter with these boots but this year for some reason my left shin is getting bruised - nothing had changed.

The extra liner padding the sides of the shin worked fine.



Dave
post #15 of 18
I've been re-heating my Thermoflex every 20-25 days skiing.

As for the wound, I wouldn't put any mods on the liner as that has too great a danger of causing more pressure points. I would stack moleskin around the wound as needed. If it has stopped draining, I would protect the wound with something like Tagaderm.

As for my other comment: back in college you wouldn't notice the funk of the dorm room either until you'd walked out, taken a shower, and walked back in.
post #16 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by team ftb
Gents,


Can anybody recommend what dense rubber material I can use to make a shim to go around the wound. I can tape it to the front of the toungue to protect my wound. Cheers.
read my post directly above yours...
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thank you for all the replies .

Disski I will attempt to track down materials you suggested here in the states, for my wound dressing. Thanks.

Comprex wrote:
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I've been re-heating my Thermoflex every 20-25 days skiing.
Wow!! Are we supposed to be reheating our thermoflex liners this often? Do you notice an improvement doing it this often?

Quote:
As for my other comment: back in college you wouldn't notice the funk of the dorm room either until you'd walked out, taken a shower, and walked back in.
Got it. Are you telling me rooms are not supposed to smell of funk. News to me .

Any ideas for material that can be used for shimming extra space behind the top of the calf? Dwoof2 suggested old boot liners which is interesting. Nice suggestion to protect the shin bone Dwoof. I'll do something like that with a thinner piece of material if I can find something. Time to go to the thrift store in search of some old boots. Any other suggestions for materials?

Am I correct that any excess room behind the top of the calf should be shimmed from behind the calf as opposed to in front of the shin, in order to keep forward pressure? Cheers.
post #18 of 18
Sorry i don't know names in all countries....

Ahhhh... just tried FDA site....

maybe these are it?

Skin on skin, Notear, aquamatrix, hydromed

get it on ASAP.... the wound will heal faster if you do NOT let it dry out....
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