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One ski for newbie Masters racer

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I want to start racing this season (in Pennsylvania), and need some skis. To give you some idea of my skills, I've been telemarking the last 20 seasons, but before that I was a full cert instructor.

I would like to buy just one pair of skis. Can someone recommend a ski that would work for both SL and GS? I am 46 yo, 6'3" and 200 pounds, and length suggestions would also be appreciated.

Thanks a lot

Rich
post #2 of 16
Race skis are so definite these days its hard to really get one ski for both, but I would look at a high end ski like the Fischer SC in a longer length.
Maybe getting some used race skis, for both events is better, and you can save money.
There are tons of racers selling skis after each year.
I have some for sale as well. ( not trying to put a sales pitch on you)
If you are interested drop me a line.
But i think you may make out better with two used pair ( one for each event) than one new for both events.
post #3 of 16
First generation shaped slalom skis in about 170 seemed to do a good job at functioning for both events. With the the shapes they have now, you cannot ski GS with a slalom ski very well. And forget using a GS ski for slalom.

If you can find an older slalom ski like something from '02 in about 170 with a 103ish tip, you're in business.

I had Salomon 3Vs from then and they were sick.
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Richr
I want to start racing this season (in Pennsylvania), and need some skis. To give you some idea of my skills, I've been telemarking the last 20 seasons, but before that I was a full cert instructor.

I would like to buy just one pair of skis. Can someone recommend a ski that would work for both SL and GS? I am 46 yo, 6'3" and 200 pounds, and length suggestions would also be appreciated.

Thanks a lot

Rich
The Fischer Race SC in a 170cm, or Fischer Worldcup SC in a 165cm are good multi-event skis. Better in SL than GS but versatile at less than SG speeds. Contact Ski Depot, they may have '05 & '06 models available.

Cheers,

Barrettscv
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply

Would a 170 be long enough for me for GS events?
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by Richr
Thanks for the reply

Would a 170 be long enough for me for GS events?
If you plan to ski locally in PA, I would say yes. On a larger mountain, the answer might be no. The Race SC is more forgiving and is designed as a 3 into 1 ski for SL, GS & free skiing. The Worldcup SC is more of a SL machine with laminate construction. At your size, however the WC SC will feel more tame and the Race SC might feel a little wimpy. Don't go too long however, it will not add much in terms of stability and they lose responsiveness at the very long lengths.

The World cup RC is also an option at 175cm. This is a GS cheater (not FIS legal) ski with a 16 meter sidecut. A great skier could muscle & finesse it through a SL course and finish with good results.

Barrettscv
post #7 of 16
Seconding the used skis comment: nowadays, you need two pairs, period, especially if you're just starting. An experienced guy can manage a longer slalom in a modern course, but somone who is just starting will be miserable and I'm not talking about radius here: just plain old getting the boards around the gate and ready for the next one will be a chore. Courses didn't have as much offset five or even four years ago...

Or if you really are hell-bent on buying new, buy a good gs and use ordinary short radius skis (I guess you have a pair) for slalom and pray you have a low bib number so the course isn't too icy/ruty once it's your turn.
post #8 of 16
As has been mentioned, you can get race skis in great condition on eBay for less than $250, if you know what you're looking for. Just prior to the season I picked up a pair of '04-'05 Elan SLXs for $55. Right place, right time. USSA members can get last year's race stock skis from Rossi for pretty cheap.

As for a one ski race quiver, I would look in the direction of the cross skis, like the Volkl 5 Star or Atomic SX:11, in the normal length. A 14-16 meter radius ski would do well, but won't be as fast as a dedicated race ski.

If you're looking to build a race ski quiver, I'd get a 165cm slalom first and use it for all events. With your size, get a real slalom (like the Fischer WC SL) as opposed to a slalom carver (Like the Atomic SL:9). They'll hold the course better at speed.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by barrettscv
If you plan to ski locally in PA, I would say yes. On a larger mountain, the answer might be no. The Race SC is more forgiving and is designed as a 3 into 1 ski for SL, GS & free skiing. The Worldcup SC is more of a SL machine with laminate construction. At your size, however the WC SC will feel more tame and the Race SC might feel a little wimpy. Don't go too long however, it will not add much in terms of stability and they lose responsiveness at the very long lengths.

The World cup RC is also an option at 175cm. This is a GS cheater (not FIS legal) ski with a 16 meter sidecut. A great skier could muscle & finesse it through a SL course and finish with good results.

Barrettscv
Dont go with the Rc for Slalom, it rips in GS, (full bore Gs ski with extended sidecut, rips in courses) but you will be killing yourself in a sLalom.
Go used and get a pair for each, chances are the skis will be in good condition.
post #10 of 16
Fischer RX-8, Volkl All Star, Nordica SM 14 or 16.

These all have moderate enough shapes to do both events fairly well. A 170 (ish) length should be adequate for small hill G.S. and SL as long as your setters are not Jerks.

All of these are great fun to freeski as well.


SJ
post #11 of 16
One of the things that barretscv said is critical. For the cost of 1 pair of skis, you can get both SL & GS cheater skis by Fischer from da men (plural of da man) at Ski-Depot. The list on the Fischer RC4 WC RC is $895. Same for the RC4 WC SC. They will sell you a pair of each from 04-05 for $329. With shipping, the cost for both will be less than MSRP for either. Only thing different from 04-05 to 05-06??? The topsheet. So get a pair of the RC in 175 for GS and a pair of the WC SC 165 for SL. Avoid the Race SC as it is a recreational SL carver and not adequate for racing (according to the men at Ski-Depot). You'll be very happy with the service you get from these guys...
post #12 of 16
I'm not a racer, but I've seen the Head i.XRC 1100 SW (1200 this year) mentioned as a potential compromise ski for both SL and GS. I finally got out on my new pair Friday and only scratched the surface of their potential. A whole lot of fun with tons of performance but easy to ski as well.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by bjohansson
One of the things that barretscv said is critical. For the cost of 1 pair of skis, you can get both SL & GS cheater skis by Fischer from da men (plural of da man) at Ski-Depot. The list on the Fischer RC4 WC RC is $895. Same for the RC4 WC SC. They will sell you a pair of each from 04-05 for $329. With shipping, the cost for both will be less than MSRP for either. Only thing different from 04-05 to 05-06??? The topsheet. So get a pair of the RC in 175 for GS and a pair of the WC SC 165 for SL. Avoid the Race SC as it is a recreational SL carver and not adequate for racing (according to the men at Ski-Depot). You'll be very happy with the service you get from these guys...
Ditto above comments!!!!!!!!!!
post #14 of 16
I tried doing both with one ski . It can be done if you don't care about being competitive.If you just want to race great. But sooner or later your going to want get those time down to respectable levels ,so you will need both.
There is no reason to buy new though. I bought my Fisher GS ski at the end of the season and got a great deal.
My SL skis are 4 year old Rossi WC and they have served me well.
I would love to go out and buy some brand new stuff but I'm still waiting on that darn lottery.


P.S. If you use 2 skis you will go even faster
post #15 of 16
I would buy last year's skis. You can find some great deals out there. I saw some Rossignol slalom skis on Overstock fro $199 over the summer.

Maybe you could just ski one event? I'm not sure about the rules, but if you don't care about overall points that could be an option.
post #16 of 16
I was at Hunter yesterday,In the ski shop they have a pile of last years demos.There is a pair of K2 Mach SL's with bindings for $199.
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