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First impressions Fischer WC SC

post #1 of 17
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Well I finally managed to get away for 2 hours today and attacked my local bunny hill. It's just a small hill (200 feet vertical) so I didn't really get to fully explore their limits. It was also my first time out, and I'm glad there was no video 'cause I skied like crap at first, but got a little better with time.

First off let me say I love these skis (Fischer WC SC at 165 cm, 118-66-99 13mR FR12 bindings). Let me also say that they do not like to go slow. My first run was down a beginner from the first chair lift to the next chair lift. At slow speeds these skis are just too stiff for my 165 lbs to get them to carve smooth tight turns. Not really a problem as I'm an old hand at doing the one-ski thing in the tight stuff. At least I know they can "scarve" if I have to slow down for some icy moguls so as not to bend them. Once up to speed however they ROCK! At anything above 30 mph the skis allow you to carve beautiful curves, at fairly small radii and surprisingly big radii too.

They don't like to be flat and in fact they interact so much with the little terrain undulations when you try to shush, that you actually go faster carving turns. Hard to believe I know, but that's what the Garmin 76CS said, so there .

You can get some amazing lean angles on these things, Angulation be danmed! Banking is FUN FUN FUN. Due to the small and not very steep nature of my local speed bump, the fastest I got these skis up to was 76.8 kph (47.7 mph). The skis showed no sign of being the least bit unhappy at that speed; they were right in their element (as was I).

Summary: Great skis over 30 mph. Great grip on hardpack, great at small to Medium turns. Not for going perfectly straight, but will fly along smoothly with even a slight edge engagement. Sorry, but they didn't have any ice today, no moguls either (snow not deep enough I guess).

No complaints what so ever.

Edit: the 48 mph was obtained using the max speed indicated on a GARMIN GPS MAP 76CS, and may be an artifact of the way a GPS treats a signal loss. Using continuous track logs, I can to say that 64 kph was obtained as a leg speed in a continuous track. And next time I will put the GPS in a back pack and hope for more continuous uninterrupted signals.
post #2 of 17
Hi G.,

The Fischer WC models are awesome, what length & binding set-up are you using?

Cheers,

Barrettscv
post #3 of 17
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Oops I left that out. Thanks. The post above is now edited to show Fischer WC SC 165 cm FR12 bindings and sidecut 118-66-99 (that's what's written on them. I'm too lazy to measure it) for 13m Radius.
post #4 of 17

2005 Fischer WC SL tryout

To add on to ghosts fischer review...
I skied my new Fischer worldcup SL's 156cm 115/65/100 + FR13 for the first time and was amazingly surprised. The conditions at Mont Blanc were a massive bunch of clumpy, bumpy crud and ice where that wasnt which didnt make me very happy but man was i impressed.

I noticed that they really like the hard pack and ice, i was afraid i would lose the edge alot of the time when i was hard over, but they stuck to it like nothing else. The weight of the ski plowed through the crud with a bit of vibration but is expected when i was flying down at 40mph on some runs over mogul size bumps. The rebound on the skis was just as amazing, even without any pressure on them as soon as you angulate they come around like a bat out of hell.

The skis tend to have a small sweet spot i found as i was running the training race course my coaches had set. The skis tend to lose control if you end up in the back seat, but if you hav control of them a couple shakes of the knees later you've just teared through a slalom course.

Finally i found them amazing for my skiing style agressive, low, athletic stance, and they will be amazing at the small home hill i instruct at. Because they really can carve out the nice small - medium radius turns at any speed. If you find your self an aggressive skier i say check out the fischer line up.
post #5 of 17
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Well I finally got to really push these skis, and thought I should update the thread.

I skied them the other day at Blue Mountain, after they had had some rain and freezing rain. Conditions, needles to say were very hard and icy. It was difficult to find steep runs that hadn't been scraped off to the ground by boarders. Nevertheles, I was able to find a few places to push the speeds up close to 60mph. I won't say I was carving perfect 13-m turns at those speeds , but I will say that the Fischer WC SCs never let me down. They did not feel as stable as a purpose-built DH or SG ski, but they did turn where and when I wanted them too.

On a ride up the chair, I noticed that nobody was taking the cut-off from spectacular to avalanche, and it looked like it had no brown spots on it. I had missed it because it is on the steepest portion of Spectacular, which was pretty much glare ice and would require a lot of scraping in order to be able to make the turn. I scraped my way down, doing about 25mph so as not to miss the turn while avoiding a few obstacles (why do skiers go 2 mph on a steep hill: ). I almost missed it, but my Fischers told me they could make the turn, and they did .

When I got to avalanche, I saw why nobody was on it. It looked like it hadn't been touched since the freezing rain. Between thesheets of ice there was crud, but not just any crud, crud that had been soaked in rain and then covered in freezing rain. Crud the size of softballs. My Fischers made a lot of noise going over it, but they handled it without any problems. RX8s wouldn't have done so well.

I also spent some time working on skills in the afternoon, and will now put the lower speed limit of the Ghost-Fischer WC SCs sweet turns at 25 mph. If I keep practising I'm sure I can go even slower, without having to revert to one-ski skiing.

I'm also getting used to the big base bevel. I have to admit it's kind of nice to ignore the skis while adjusting goggles, putting gloves through pole grips, etcetera, without having your skis decide to take off on a tangent. Maybe I'll leave them stock.
post #6 of 17
Did you feel very confident on the ice? i wasn't at first on my WC SL's because they made so much noise but ive run down hills covered in ice all over quebec in the last few days with no problems what so ever.
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by Rigaudripper
Did you feel very confident on the ice? i wasn't at first on my WC SL's because they made so much noise but ive run down hills covered in ice all over quebec in the last few days with no problems what so ever.
Yeah, they grumbled loudly, but performed extremely well. I remember when I chose the WC SCs that perhaps they would do better on hard ice than the RX8s that I had tried, and I was right. True, they were scarving some of the steeper high speed icy turns, but I was surprised to see when I looked down during some of the less steep slower (25-30 mph) that they were actually not going sideways despite the noise.

Ice doesn't bother me; I first learned to ski on a very icy hill with no snow making.

Edit: I have to admit that they were not as good at the frozen crud as my SGs; my SGs would have crushed the crud like a greyhound bus.
post #8 of 17
Ghost,

You would recommend the WC SC's to Ontario Skiers??

They sound perfect for a hill like blue. The 13m radius lets you get a few more turns in, and edge grip is definitely needed on Blues North Side.

My questions are about rebound and lateral quickness? Do they have good energy?

Thanks,
Dan
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by Draino
Ghost,

You would recommend the WC SC's to Ontario Skiers??

They sound perfect for a hill like blue. The 13m radius lets you get a few more turns in, and edge grip is definitely needed on Blues North Side.

My questions are about rebound and lateral quickness? Do they have good energy?

Thanks,
Dan
Dan,
I would definately recommend them to Ontario skiers that Ski Fast most of the time; I bought them specifically because I needed a pair of Ontario skis. If you prefer to go a little slower at times you might be better served by an RX8.

The edge grip, shorter radius, and stability at speed are the primary reasons. Being quick edge-to-edge was also a primary consideration for me, and they are quick edge-to-edge. I suspect would be even quicker with a 0.5 base bevel, but I think I will leave them stock a little longer; it's nice to be able to get lazy and be forgiven. The Rossi 9S Oversize and Salomon Equipe 10 SC may be a tiny little bit quicker and lighter a weapon, but they really don't compare at speed (see trip review to Blue Mountain for GPS data http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=34471 ). I wanted to find something I could race through bumps using them as slalom poles, carving tight turns to avoid suddenly appearing obstacles and changing paths, challenging my reflexes, but still didn't want to give up my high-speed thrills. The WC wins that competition hands down.

As to rebound, I'm not sure I can give you a proper opinion yet. Yes I did a few runs where I was bouncing off the tails from side to side, and it was fun enough, but the rebound didn't really "jump" out at me. It could be because I had previously demoed the RX8 where it was noticeable, and I just took it for granted to be there, or maybe the RX8 is a little livelier and springier. The WCs are stiff enough to deliver it though. It's also worth noting that I had them out on very icy conditions and was more concentrating on smoothness and trying to keep the edges glued down, than jumping from bump to bump. There were no real bumps to be found.
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post #11 of 17
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Went out and played with 'em on the bunny hill for a couple of hours today. They have plenty of rebound and lot's of energy, but you have to want to make them bounce; they won't do it on their own.

BTW my local hill had this strange white stuff on it, kind of like what you get in a snowcone. It was a lot different than skiing on ice, I had forgotten how much fun snow could be.
post #12 of 17
Thanks Ghost!

These sound like the sticks that I should demo for sure. Next step...convincing my wife I need new gear (As boots are my first priority).

What's your home hill?? Sounds a lot like it may be Boler.
post #13 of 17
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closest speed-bump http://www.skichicopee.com/
closest place to get skis up to speed http://www.bluemountain.ca/
A less-crowded alternative http://www.talisman.ca/
Near Mom's house http://www.calabogie.com/winter_mountain.asp
Near Mom-in-law's http://www.mountwashington.ca/winter...alpine_terrain
I miss my mom in-law .
post #14 of 17
Never been to Talisman. Is it worth the price of admission?
I Like blue, minus the crowds.
Use your friends at the private clubs. Great conditions, little traffic, many fairweather skiers who quit after lunch.
Yeah, most of my skiing's been done at Blue, Craigleith, Holiday Valley, and The Boler Bump in London. I've been hoping to get to Talisman and Horseshoe (don't know what it is like either.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Draino
Never been to Talisman. Is it worth the price of admission?
I Like blue, minus the crowds.
Use your friends at the private clubs. Great conditions, little traffic, many fairweather skiers who quit after lunch.
Yeah, most of my skiing's been done at Blue, Craigleith, Holiday Valley, and The Boler Bump in London. I've been hoping to get to Talisman and Horseshoe (don't know what it is like either.
Talisman doesn't have the double blacks like Blue, but if your looking for blue and easy black, it's well worth it. I recall being able to enjoy my SGs there one day last year. It only took two turns to get down the 600' vertical but they were fun turns.
post #16 of 17
nice review Ghost. your comments match my impressions. I had the '03-'04 version in 160cm.
post #17 of 17
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Thanks, Gonz.

Take note, Draino if you see a deal on the older SC snag it. A tighter radius might make it less adept at going 60mph at Blue, but better everywhere else.

Just an additional note. I noticed in retrospect that when you push them past their grip limit making small radius turns at moderately high speeds on steeper ice, the tips and tails tend to slip first, while the midsection is still gripping. However when there is some heavy wet granular snow and you push them as far as they go the additional surface area of the tips and tails helps out and the whole ski works together; the tails hang on as long as the middle. Also, in the snow I can carve a lot slower turn before having to use the outside ski all by itself.
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