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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I just purchased some new Fischer Worldcup SL's w/ FR13 ( awesome skis, just skied them yesterday) and now i was looking for some good ideas on a boot for them. I currently ski on HEAD ez-on's 7.0 which have way to much room to slide around in and arent rigid at all for the type of skiing i would like to get out of these skis. I'm 5'10 130lbs, and my foot size is 9.5 / 10 with a really skinny heel and low fore foot. I ask this because im looking to go in to stores and try on some boots but i want to narrow down my sights first.
post #2 of 22
this might help: dont worry about brand, check the shell fit:


So you want to buy some new boots? This information applies to All double boots (boots with removable liners): downhill, telemark, alpine touring, snowboard, ice climbing, and any ability or age.

First of all the sizing information on the tags is not always accurate. Different brands fit differently and sometimes the sizing tags on the boot are gone. If it is right type of boot, in the right price range, and about the right size, try it on. The first step is to shell fit. With the liner removed, your foot in the shell only, and your toes touching the front of the boot, you should have NO MORE then 2 fingers, 2 cm or ¾ inch between your heel and the back of the boot. You also want about 1-3mm around the width of your foot. Yes they will feel a bit snug at first, but they will pack out.

Put the liner back in and lace or buckle the boot up and make sure that your heel is back all the way in the boot. Then when you flex the boot forward, your heel should stay down, your toes should come back from the front of the boot, and they should feel comfortably snug. Keep in mind that they will stretch out ¼ to ½ size as your foot works it way back in in the boot, and the liner packs out and molds to your foot.

If you go bigger then this your foot will slide around, and cause blisters, you will have to over tighten your boot to make the foot stay in place, cutting off the blood flow and making your feet colder. Boot fitters can make a small boot bigger, but can not make a big boot smaller.
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by Rigaudripper
I ask this because im looking to go in to stores and try on some boots but i want to narrow down my sights first.
Check the FAQ here at http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=28745

Also see http://www.bootfitters.com/ & http://www.gmolfoot.com/

Where are you located? We can recommend shops near to home or where you ski.

Cheers,

Barrettscv
post #4 of 22
Find a good bootfitter that's not too far away; unless you are very lucky, you will have to get work done on the boot to get a performance fit. What length Fischer WC SLs did you get? Post a reveiw.
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
I went today to look at some boots tried on a Technica, Dalbello, and Salomon. The technica with the wide foot bed had alot of side room but right near the toe in came back and made a pressure point on my foot. The dalbello a little ugly in my eyes had good snug fit with no real problems but was quite heavy and flexed quite a bit. I finally tried th Salomon 1080 foil because i want the color green and i was told it was almost identical to the X wave 10 FREE it offered great fit comfort, and style, i loved it from the start. My inquiry though is, are these boots durable? are they warm? Anyone with comments please post.
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by barrettscv
Where are you located? We can recommend shops near to home or where you ski.
I live in St-Lazare QC and i just visited my local Bernard Trottier, and plan to visit the Austrian Ski Shop, and Oberson.
post #7 of 22
Warmth and color would be the last thing on my mind if I was looking to make WC SL's perform, but to each their own. However, the 1080 is not an x-wave 10, it is significantly softer.
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
So what are you saying... I know the 1080 is soft but should have a firmer boot for the WC SL's?
post #9 of 22
1080 Foil has a flex index of 85.
X-wave 10 has a flex index of 110.

Get the X-wave 10 Fast if it fits.
My Cross-max 10 after about 30-40 days is just beginning to have room in the heel. The toes and fore foot took about 4 or 5 return trips for more punching out before they fit, but they fit well now.
post #10 of 22
I'd add my $.02 to get the wave 9 not 10 as the differnce is 2 t-nuts and $50-$100. Tnuts are cheaper then that ..

but all the waves/frees/crossmax/1080s are the same shape shell, diff liners and shell bits
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by Rigaudripper
So what are you saying... I know the 1080 is soft but should have a firmer boot for the WC SL's?
IMHO, yes. As a SL racer (albeit a lackluster one), I want something very stiff. The WC SL is a very precise ski that requires a lot of energy to ski well, and I think a stiffer boot allows one to accomplish that better.

More importantly, though, I think you would be better served with something lower-volume than an X-Wave. You say you have a low-volume foot, so I would look at something like a Diablo race pro, Atomic RT CS, or some other semi-plug. If your foot moves in the boot while on slalom skis, you will not be happy. It has happened to me, so that's the best advice I can give you.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
Im an ex-racer and i currently ski instruct most of the time with my ass in the air bent over like a pig. I ski 2 pairs of skis, my fischers, and two year old Atomic 9:18's 160 which are my instructing skis due to the amount of scratches they accumulate. I dont need a race fit, but i dont want the skis to perform while i sit comfortable. I also want to consider the extra room created after numerous times skiing. After i went to the shop the other day i found the Salomon 1080 Foil @ 27.5 to fit pefect but now after reading up some more i wonder if i should go down to a 27?

Could some one help me out with everything?
post #13 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by mntlion
I'd add my $.02 to get the wave 9 not 10 as the differnce is 2 t-nuts and $50-$100. Tnuts are cheaper then that ..

but all the waves/frees/crossmax/1080s are the same shape shell, diff liners and shell bits
The Crossmax & 1080 use a softer plastic compound but do come out of the same molds as the Waves. Waves provide the same fit with improved stiffness. The Crossmax & 1080 were meant as park & pipe boots where a softer flex has benifits.

Cheers,

Barrettscv
post #14 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigaudripper
Im an ex-racer and i currently ski instruct most of the time with my ass in the air bent over like a pig. I ski 2 pairs of skis, my fischers, and two year old Atomic 9:18's 160 which are my instructing skis due to the amount of scratches they accumulate. I dont need a race fit, but i dont want the skis to perform while i sit comfortable. I also want to consider the extra room created after numerous times skiing. After i went to the shop the other day i found the Salomon 1080 Foil @ 27.5 to fit pefect but now after reading up some more i wonder if i should go down to a 27?

Could some one help me out with everything?
Try the boot again and consider the shell fit without the liner. I would get the shell with the tight race fit (as described in the FAQ tread), regardless of shell size. The Salomon 1080/Crossmax/Wave are among the roomiest boots available. Using anything but the tightest fitting shell will lead you back to your original problem.

See the FAQ thread at the top of this forum for more info.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=28745

I consider sock thickness to be important when bootfitting. I use the thinnest sock (a hose actually) to try boots. If you have a good bootfitter, he/she will want to look at the shape of your foot, so this helps the evaluation. I also know that a new boot liner has not been compressed (packed) so the thinness of the sock creates a margin for later volume increases inside the liner.

The first few days in a boot I will use a thin wool sock. After the liner has compressed, I switch to a medium thick sock.

If the new boot is still a little tight after 5 days of use, a good boot tech can create some room as needed.

Cheers,

Barrettscv
post #15 of 22
Thread Starter 
I have a pretty wide forefoot actually...or rather apparently so i think thats why the tech suggested salomon. Would i have to oreder the race shell special or could i just get X wave 10 fast?
post #16 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rigaudripper
I have a pretty wide forefoot actually...or rather apparently so i think thats why the tech suggested salomon. Would i have to oreder the race shell special or could i just get X wave 10 fast?
I also have a wide foot and use a 2003 Salomon Course with a 130 flex. It is a little stiff, teaching would be difficult, for example. The Course is narrow compared to the Wave & 1080, but wider than any plug boot and most top end consumer race boot. I like the fit & performance of this model.

I would consider the plug as a little risky to purchase. The bootfitter would have to fully fit the boot or comfort will be a problem. Also teaching, bumps and free-skiing are not always helped by a plug boot.

Cheers,

Barrettscv
post #17 of 22
Just out of curiosity, for guys that wear Salomon boots, what is your shoe size?

I wear a 10/10.5, with a wide foot and am considering picking up a pair of 28.0 X wave 9s. When I went into my ski shop yesterday I tried on a pair of Perfoma 7.5's, and the 27.5 size felt too short. I went to the 28.0 and it felt pretty good, but I was wearing a thick sock...
post #18 of 22
Shoe size is 10 or 10.5 in some shoes (one foot slightly longer than the other). I went with a 27.0 Crossmax 10 with orthotic. Previous boot was race-fitted two sizes too small custom foamed triple-stacked. I wanted something I could ski all day in without pain this time around.
post #19 of 22
[quote=Josh784]Just out of curiosity, for guys that wear Salomon boots, what is your shoe size?
quote]

Josh,

I wear an 11.5 street shoe and use a 28.0 Salomon course. This is a recreational fit with room for toe movement and no hot spots. The boots have not & will not need to be stretched or modified for fit.

Cheers,

barrettscv
post #20 of 22
Thread Starter 
Ghost what year are your boots. Im debating weither to go 26.0 or 27.0
post #21 of 22
FWLIW, as a note on durability my crossmax's definetly felt like they were giving up the ghost after a season. Really packed out but the shell was also weaker..I've heard that the clear plastic might be a bit suspect for long-term durability. Other wide forefoot, narrower heel boots are Atomics and Heads so give those a look.
post #22 of 22
I would go small and plan to spend a lot of time making them fit. You will need a good boot-fitter for that. If the good bootfitter disagrees, well he's seen your feet and I haven't. Expect to have to bring them back several times, so hopefully your bootfitter isn't a two hour drive away (don't get a bootfitter in Quebec city if you live in Montreal).
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