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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by vail99
As far as Vail is concerned I meant number one in "rankings" not to mention size and reputaton.......
Still fairly vague. WHO is doing the ranking? Is Vail the largest area in the US? I know it doesn't have the longest vertical drop or season.
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by vail99
Already answered..... so keep reading! I am being very entertained by this one.
What "rankings" are you referring to? Cite a source. Personally I ski a "small mountain", so I don't get the privilege of paying $81 for a lift ticket, we just don't have the "reputation" that warrants it, bummer. Oh well, for less than four days worth of skiing at Vail, I bought a season pass.

All we have here is sort of steep hillsides. There was a US Alpine Ski Championship here in '61. Of course that's back when they just looked at adequate terrain for the events in question.
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by Grizz
Is Vail the largest area in the US? I know it doesn't have the longest vertical drop or season.
Isn't Powder Mountain in Utah the largest in acres?
post #34 of 51
Just checked Vail's site. They do claim to have the most skiable acerage of any resort in the US and the guy on the cover page is skiing salomons.

But they only average 340 inches a year so I know they aren't #1 in snowfall.
post #35 of 51
Great thread here first dis Salomon now dis Vail! Nothing like success to piss people off. Amazing how so many people can be miserable skiing on their Salomon skis in Vail. When I was last there they all seemed to be having a great time- And as I read it so far Vail has recieved record snow- over 14' so far. They must be suffering there as we speak.
post #36 of 51
Skiing Magazine revealed that Vail is rated as the third best ski town in America offering "just the right combination of skiing and quality of life". Transworld Snowboarding rated Vail as the fourth best overall resort in the 2005 resort ranking guide and SKI Magazine readers recognized Vail as North America's No. 1 resort for the 13th time since ratings began in 1988.

I also think Edwards was rated a top ski town as well.

There ya go.
post #37 of 51
>>>My 2004 Salomon 3V's that I bought on ebay say "Non Skiable" on the tails.<<<

Heck, that is a warning for the gapers behind you in the lift line not to ski on them.

....Ott
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by vail99
You will never hear me trashing another company just because I may not like the way the ski works- for me.
Who trashed anyone? I said Salomon is a smart and successful company that makes good race skis and good all-purpose consumer skis.

Vail, could it be that you're a taaad sensitive on this topic? Nobody's questioning your manhood.
post #39 of 51
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Originally Posted by vail99
Skiing Magazine revealed that Vail is rated as the third best ski town in America offering "just the right combination of skiing and quality of life". Transworld Snowboarding rated Vail as the fourth best overall resort in the 2005 resort ranking guide and SKI Magazine readers recognized Vail as North America's No. 1 resort for the 13th time since ratings began in 1988.

I also think Edwards was rated a top ski town as well.

There ya go.
So we've got Skiing (fine magazine) calling it the third best town- doesn't say anything about the skiing other than there is a town which exists at the base of a skiable mountain.

Transworld Snowboarding calls it the 4th best overall resort... seems fair to me, don't read it enough to really know.

SKI magazine calls it #1- Who takes SKI magazine seriously these days? Those guys dedicate well over 3/4 of the magazine to advertisements and uberexpensive mountain homes and still consider an 80 mm ski to be "fat."


As far as producing pros right now- in ski raacing the midwest is turning up its game and in freeriding i'd put Squaw and the other Utah resorts at the top.





Vail may be a great family destination resort, but it certainly isn't the greatest place to ski in North America.
post #40 of 51
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Originally Posted by kosackthrower
But seeing how salomons are already unskiable, there is not much differeence in what you have.
This is the one that started it all.....then

"Yeah OK - mass produced, mass marketed, diluted in quality, sold at huge discounts, and shoved into the faces of millions of hopelessly terminal intermediates who don't know any better."

"The attributes that render Salomon so successful among large numbers of "terminal intermediates", are likely the same qualities that limit the brand's appeal among uber-skiers: forgiving and easy-to-turn."


and I love this one---

"In general, I prefer Atomics and Volkls to Salomon and K2's. But, I'm sure neither Salomon or K2 give a whit about people like me, as they cart their well-earned funds to the cashier's window."

Funny statement Since Atomic and Salomon share the same parent Company as does Volkl and K2!

And to Mr. Takecontrol618- I never said Vail was the "Best"- and I think rankings are pointless but some one asked for "verification" and I felt compelled to give it to him. And I also never said only Vail has good skiers. You people really have to read the posts before you jump down someones back.

As a long time Salomon skier and Vail skier I just felt like defending their honour in the face of ignorance! I end it all here now as anything more would be pointless. Have fun without me!
post #41 of 51
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Originally Posted by vail99
Funny statement Since Atomic and Salomon share the same parent Company as does Volkl and K2!
And the point is...? What does shared corporate stock have to do with ski designs?

Are you suggesting that Atomic and Salomon share design characteristics, or that Volkl and K2 have the same DNA?
post #42 of 51
Hey kosackthrower- Those "unskiable" Salomons took 1-2-3 at Alta Badia GS today.
post #43 of 51

Highest Percentage of Great Skiers

I'd bet the "Resort" with the highest percentage of Great Skiers is Burke Mountain in Burke VT. Burke Mountain Academy turns out some very accomplished racers. They still need to work on there lattes however!
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by vail99
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I can go on and on- I think other than Steamboat or perhaps Sun Valley no one else turned out or has had so many top skiers living locally.
Could you name a few actual names of world-class skiers currently living/skiing in Vail? I think Cindy Nelson lives there, but I'm having a hard time recollecting any others.

You do definnitely have some great orthopods.
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by jamesk
Hey kosackthrower- Those "unskiable" Salomons took 1-2-3 at Alta Badia GS today.
Yeah, and as was mentioned at least a few times previously in this thread, the race stock skis (especially at the World Cup level) are completely different from any of the retail skis, even the retail race ones. Apples and Oranges.
post #46 of 51
And the same can be said for Atomic, Rossignol, Volkl etc... I think Vail99's point was that Salomon has tremendous success at ALL levels with many happy and successful skiers on their product. A fact that a few short-sighted skiers who posted here can't seem to understand- wake up!

By the way the same can be said for Vail-

Why so many people feel compelled to whine about another firms success escapes me.

I do not like the way a K2 or Atomic may ski yet I cannot dispute their success for others.
post #47 of 51
I don't think that anyone here would dispute that Salomon has had large success in most of the market, but they just don't have skis that suit most of the high end of the market - people with a modern, race-inspired carving technique, who are skiing on high performance skis such as Atomic GS/SL/LT/ST/SX 11's, Head 1200 SW, Fischer WC SC, Volkl 6 Star, etc etc.

It doesn't mean they're an awful company, but a lot of the people around here are looking for a high performance carving ski, and Salomon just doesn't have one. I've tried the 3V (retail race slalom), and it just can't provide anything close to the performance that a ski in that category should have. It was seriously lacking in edge hold and rebound - something that you should definitely have in a slalom ski. On the other hand, I have also had the pleasure of taking a couple runs on an SL Lab, and it was awesome.

The thing with Salomon is that they seem to have a big gap in their line. They have awesome offerings for most people, but they're seriously lacking when it comes to high end offerings. Their lineup skips from High Intermediate/Low Advanced to the race stock offerings. There's nothing in between, and I think that's why many people around here (who tend to want skis that fall in that gap) don't have a very high opinion of Salomon.
post #48 of 51
Interesting! You must not be aware of the Equipe SC, Equipe GC and the Crossmax V12 skis. They are all high-end + high performance carving skis.

Salomon has also de-tuned their production race skis for the recreational NASTAR type skier. All the real racers use the LAB products anyway.
post #49 of 51
If you had read my post carefully, you would see that I have in fact tried the 3V, which is supposed to be the highest end retail slalom - above the Equipe SC, Crossmax etc. The fact of the matter is that it just can't compete in that category. The disparity between the high end retail race and the race stock LAB products is huge.

My point is that they don't have a product to fit the very high end segment, unless you want to go up to the LAB skis.
post #50 of 51
Are you comparing slalom race skis or carving skis? As far as carving skis are concerned the The SC, GC and V12 are easily the equal to other carving skis you cited. As far as SL race skis are you comparing NASTAR type skis to World Cup skis? The 3V is nothing like the SC as far as short radius turns are concerned. Apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

In fact there is another post here raving about the GC's.
post #51 of 51
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Originally Posted by vail99
Skiing Magazine revealed that Vail is rated as the third best ski town in America offering "just the right combination of skiing and quality of life".
Too bad "normal" people can't afford to live there.

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