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post #1 of 39
Thread Starter 
I know this subject has been presented before but in light of the 2 safety threads that have just been posted and Since I have been in the market during the off season, Looking for advice.

I understand the need for fit first and fore most, I have basicly been just trying on helmet after helmet. not looking at brand, color or price until I find ones that are snug but not too tight, and comfortable. I do the wiggle thing to see if it moves, and how heavy it feels, then I check the field of vision to see if the helmet blocks any part of my vision.

After all that I write down the make and model and price of the ones I like and also write down the models that just didn't fit so I don't have to look again.

My question is, skipping price (since my head is more important than the money) do I discard a model because it doesn't meet snell, or atsm standards and only CE cert? Which Features have you found more useful, quality venting, better wicking of moisture... ?

and which goggles are helmet friendly?
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post #2 of 39

I have a black Boeri Shorty with no vents. Because of this, I don't wear it when it's warm out because I overheat easily. So I consider vents to be importiant. As for goggles, you will need to take them with you (or borrow a pair just like yours) to try them with the helmets. I find that my Bolle's don't snugly fit against my head at the sides, because the helmet holds them away from my face just a bit. This doesn't bother me, but it's not drastic with my set-up either. I've seen some that are held way too far away from the face, and make them useless. Also make sure the helmet has some way to attach the goggle strap to it, so that your goggles stay with you. You might also want to take your sunglasses with you. I somtimes ski with sunglasses with my helmet because my sunglasses are prescription. You'll want to make sure the helmet doesn't push the arms into the side of your head too much.

As I said, I overheat easily, so I don't wear the helmet when I get too hot, so I can't help with the value of wicking.

As for the certifications, I don't have an answer for you.
post #3 of 39
I sweat like a bugger, under my shortie helmet i wear a thin polypro skull hat, solves the wet head problem.
post #4 of 39
venting is important. or else you wont wear it when it is hot and may get a ski to the head( sorry Nathan Hall overload...)
oakley A frames w/ helmet strrap work great but fog a bit.
smith makes a few that fit but do not buy one or the other with out trying em together.
glad you're shopping more people seem to be. I wear mine all the way to the car to prevent tourist tip swinging head wacks. I always...........

post #5 of 39
Thread Starter 
for some reason none of the shorties I tried so far fit me very well. they all have pressure points or squeeze the top or back of my head. Like I said, I'll keep trying them and make a decision before I hit the slopes. (Does a cool color make me ski better tongue planted firmly in cheek) I like the light weight of the Boeri Axis Performance and it fits perfectly. Also the Giro Ravine SC fits great but is a little heavier. I think it has ATSM rating where the Boeri only lists CE rating. Leedom so far I have not found one that fits my head quite right.

Still looking.
post #6 of 39
dchan -

I have a Boeri Axis Performance and really like it. It has two drawbacks. One, the superior venting can lead to cold ears on cold days. I resolved this by wearing a band over my ears when its cold. The other problem is it doesn't have great sweat protection on hot days. I put on a sweatband before I put on my helmet on hot days.

Of this year models, the two I've been the most impressed with are the Griko Nine and Boeri Axis Rage. Both are shorter helmets with detachable ear/neck covers making them easily adaptable between colder and warmer conditions. I still like the fit of my old Axis best, though, so I'm sticking with it for now.

As for the various rating systems, my view is your better off with a good helmet that you'll wear all the time then the best helmet that you don't always wear.
post #7 of 39
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the comments. Did the "outlast" liner come with your model or is that new for 2000-2001 line?. I understand from the reviews last year, outlast material is pretty amazing technology. I have found that if I keep my body temp under control I don't sweat under my heavy hat so I assume some of this will work with a helmet too.
post #8 of 39
Outlast came with mine, but it looks like they improved the lining the past couple years. I was up a Big Sky this weekend and they had extreme cold warnings up with temperatures at the base being below 10 degrees and much colder a couple thousand feet up. I put on a thin band to cover my ears and my head never got cold.
post #9 of 39
try a Protec helmet they are pretty popular with boarders, i tried every helmet and this one was the best compromise for fit. the bike style removable padding makes fitting fairly easy. I bought this helmet as it is a multiple impact helmet, as opposed to a fall once and buy a new helmet, single impact. I hit my head a fair bit, tree's, ice, etc, so this was an easy decision for me.
post #10 of 39
As others have said, comfort is #1. Try a variety and see how the fit is then compare the features. Carrera has a light multi impact helmet with great active airflow and a removable/adjustable Outlast liner. Leedom is the only helmet to pass SNELL certification, but to all fairness to the others, Leedom voluntarily went up against the SNELL test. Saying they're the only to pass does not mean the others failed it. To my knowledge, no others have gone against it yet. Leedom has a few different liners for the same shell shape, so try a few. I use Leedom and have the High Performance liner which is a memory foam for comfort. Boeri offers a wide range of styles and fits, so try a few different models in those. Pro-Tec offers a great helmet for price as does Giro.

I think you'll start seeing a big change in helmet designs as soon as the current standards are modified (that is if they change the standards that is rumored). You will start seeing a lot lighter breathing 'bike' helmet styles on the market. Hope this helps some.

Powder to the People...
post #11 of 39
Had an older boeri shorty and yes they do get hot. Got a new boeri axis(?) and it has vents but also the ear/neck part comes off. On spring days I can still wear my helmet and not get hot!

Get whatever is most comfortable with vents and i recommend the removable ear/neck piece.
post #12 of 39
Thread Starter 
I think it's coming down to Boeri Axis Performance or giro ravine SC I know they both don't have snell cert but so far they are the only 2 that feel good on my head. My wife will attest to my standing at REI and other stores for a good 45 min to an hour just switching helmets one after another. shaking my head, tapping on the helmets yanking on the helmet to see how they feel being pulled off. bending forewards and backwards to see how the weight feels. I tried adjusting the pads in the leedom and others and still could not get them to fit. For some reason the full over the ears helmets just fit my head better. I must have tried on 15-20 models in every size that was close in just one store. I have been to 4 stores now. For some reason I just keep forgetting to bring my sun glasses
Thanks everyone for all the tips. Now I just got to figure out which color makes me ski better
post #13 of 39
dont foget the goggles too!

i love my axis

I have switched to over the ear models because I caughta branch in the ear super bowl sunday 2 years ago while wearing a shorty. had to have 5 stitches.
my axis does not affect my hearing at all.
post #14 of 39
Thread Starter 
Thanks matt.

Not forgetting goggles, I know mine will not fit. I'm planning on purchasing a new pair. If you look at my initial post, I asked which goggles are "helmet friendly" I'm leaning towards the Oakley A frames. But first will be sunglasses in the helmet.
post #15 of 39
I don't have much to add to this except to say that i really Like the K2 Helmet I bought early last season good venting and removale ear flaps.as Helmets become more populer we will see Better comfort and safty features.

The Best skier in the world is the One with the biggest smile. Utah49
post #16 of 39
This has not been a prime concern for me, but now that I've read so much, I guess I'd like to weigh in on the subject of helmets. Two or three issues for me. First, hats are too hot, usually, so I just wear a headband and gogggles. Hat is used for cold wind and during snowfall. The helmets are too hot, thus uncomfortable. Second, while it is obvious that helmets can be protective, what are the chances of skiing and incurring a head injury. Yes, of course it happens, but what is the size of the risk? As for famous people who have died while skiing due to collision with a tree, the helmet likely would not have prevented the death. If I were to see the actual risk and benefit as convincing, then perhaps I would try to find a way to get into a comfortable helmet. For me, the jury is stll out - but I am open minded and seek, through statistics and other forms of peruasion, to be convinced. Iam not interested in hearing how statistics can be made to lie; I am interested in how they can persuade be to wear a helmet, together with other intelligent arguments. So far, I just have not heard enough.
post #17 of 39
Protec helmets are soft plastic?? the only helmet that is not pliable are the hard shelled boeri shorties, that i have seen. As for scarciest protection what are you basing this on? are there impact tests that prove this? The Protec water helmets are different than the winter versions which have a dual density multiple impact foam liner, both are called ace. As for protection with the Protec i have hit a rock, and got smoked in the back of the head with a ski tail. No problems, i think you are right that a ski specific helmet would provide more protection. Unless you hit something at world cup speed, i think the protec has enough protection for the average skier. I wear the protec because it fits, the other helmets, tried em all last year, don't. I fall hard just about everytime i ski, i believe (could be wrong) that the ski specific helmets use expanded foam similar to bike helmets in design, thus a decent blow to the helmet should warrant throwing it out. I have crushed a couple bike helmets and it hurt like hell. So far no headaches with the Protec. The people on the hill falling the most, snowboarders seem to chose this helmet frequently, but probably as a holdout to skatepark helmet appearance.

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post #18 of 39
you buy a helmet to protect your melon. Snell is the most rigorous test of helmets. They test helmets provided by the manufacturers, and periodically buy helmets from retailers to test. I would choose a helmet with a snell cert over another if fit were equal.

Free your heels, poke your eyes out!
post #19 of 39
Boeri's are sweet helmets...But what about Leedmon. They have awesome vents, one that opens and closes on the top. They pass SNELL standards..atleast mine does. I'm not sure of the specific model but i love it. It doesn't fit as snug as some racing helmets though.(I like it that way, but that's personal prefrence) It fits tight around the top of your head, and then back off lower down...so you can here! Anyway i like it a lot, has anyone elce used Leedmon?

"There are trails with signs, and there are those with out...Which trail will you chose?"
post #20 of 39
Thread Starter 

You must have missed the earlier posts. I think I have tried almost all the helmets I could find. different sizes different models etc. The only ones I think I have missed that have been mentioned are K2 ( have not seen at any of the stores I've been to) and the protec (also not at any of the stores)
Besides the fact that the leedom did not fit me well It's a heavy helmet.
post #21 of 39
Get the one that fits & has vents.
They are all hot except in super cold.
Wife has Jofa & is really nice, Headphones [buttons] fit exactly in ear holes for superb tunes w/out cramming phones in ears.
I have vented Boeri & is real comfy. But headphones are a hassle.

Sail and Ski!
Look for crud, it makes u better.
post #22 of 39
I ski in the Lake Tahoe area where winter days will be in the upper 30's to low 4o's and springtime skiing can occur when temperatures around 60. I used to even despise wearing hats, but needed to prevent sunburn. I started wearing a helmet (a white Boeri Myto Air) two years ago, along with my wife, when we had our daughter wear one. We do some recreational racing and though it would provide extra protection for minor injuries from gates. I now feel naked without it, in all weather. In wet weather they are drier, in cold weather they are warmer, and in warm weather you just compensate by losing heat elsewhere on your body by opening pit zips, skiing in a vest, or just a T-neck. On really warm spring days, I just take it off or lift it up on the chair ride up. The light color of the helmet may also make it cooler. I'm sure you can tolerate it in the Vermont ski conditions.

It doesn't have to be proven that a helmet will save lives, (which is difficult), just that it would reduce injuries (which I think is pretty convincing) to make it a worthwhile investment. Two friends who were both wearing helmets fell and hit their heads. One suffered a mild concussion and the other just disrupted her balance for several hours (it was her first day in the helmet). There's no doubt the injuries would have been worse without the helmet. How much worse is irrelevant. Helmets are also great for reducing even eliminating any sort of head gash wounds (nasty bleeding buggers that they are) from tree limbs, hitting head on ice or contact with skis (your own or someone elses).

There's little to lose by wearing a helmet (except $100 or so) and much to gain. Besides you can always decorate it with stickers, or advertisements (for Rossi T-Power's?).

Submitted for your approval...
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post #23 of 39
Very cute, SnoWonder, but I do see that you've been paying attention
post #24 of 39
yeah, helmets are an iffy subject, open wide for debate.
i don't wear one, and i doubt i ever will.
most of those magazines said if you're going more than 30 mph than a helmet will make little difference, if any.
but what do i know, i've never bashed my head into a tree or rock or the like..

post #25 of 39
I was told point blank by an ER doc that my helmet, a boeri shorty, saved my life. Judging my the huge gouges on the helmet after the accident, I never doubted he was right.
I still have it and would send it to you if it would persuade you at all.
high profile celebrity deaths are a worthless aside. Kennedy would have died from internal injuries ( same doc from above comment was on when Kenedy was admitted at AVH) heard the same about bono.
my helmet is worth it if for no other reason that it saves me when idiots whip down the safety bar on the chair & whack me in the head. my 22 cents.
post #26 of 39
I love the "I have not heard enough" in the helmet debates. if you choose to not wear a helmet, fine it is your head, but what else do you need to hear.
Matt, you are lucky you had a helmet on, my sign in name is a reference to the 2 titanium plates I have in my head after roling over a rock early season 97. not a huge fall but in a bad place. w/ a helmet I think I would have laughed it off. Instead I got a helicopter ride and a long recovery. wear a helmet at your discretion, but like smoking, do not give me this not enough info crap.<FONT size="1">

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post #27 of 39
Found this old thread through the "search" button. A lot of good info.

Question- Do most helments seal well enough to keep fine blowaway poweder from sifting in and getting your head wet? Any experience? Wear a bellaclava?
post #28 of 39
Have you attemted the "Brick Wall test" yet? Ok heres what you do put the helmet on pace off about 100 feet from a brick wall. Put your head down and run full speed into the wall. Now if you wake up in the hospital forget that helmet,on the other hand if you are laying on the ground and saying "WoW cool dude I wanta do that again! Then buy the helmet.Good luck with the test and let us know what hospital and room number to send the flowers.

The Best skier in the world is the One with the biggest smile. Utah49
post #29 of 39
Thread Starter 
Too funny
Actually I bought the Boeri Axis. carbon finish. I love it. The first time I really was glad I had it on, was when I helped my wife put her skis on her shoulder and she proceeded to turn around and smack me in the head with her skis (our first day out)
I was also very grateful for the helmet while dodging tree limbs flying back at me while following my instructor through some Pines and Aspens in Utah.

As far as if powder sifts in, I think you will have more problems with sweat building up under the hat. A snow storm on the first day in Utah did not get the top of my head wet. Then I skied in -4 weather my hands were a little nippy but head was quite warm. As long as I was moving the venting seemed to work great keeping my head cool but standing around after a hard run and watching my buddies work their way down I started to sweat
post #30 of 39
Oboe... and others

I'm a Patroller and 2 weeks ago we had a junior racer hit a tree going backwards. He was having fun sking backwards which seems to be more and more popular with twin tip skis. He wasn't going very fast but he was knocked out for a minute or more and bleeding from the nose. He got a nasty bump on the back of his head and a concussion. I helped strap him to a back board, load him into an ambulance and reassure his father. The brain trauma was on the front of his brain. He can't do any type of exercise for a month or so and cannot ski for the rest of the year. He was lucky. A helmet would have definatley helped him in this situation. It would have proteced the back of his head and reduced or even eliminated his skull injury and the shock absorbsion of the helmet would have problaly lessened his brain injury to some extent. He may have only ended up getting his bell rung and having a headache. As it is now he's out for the year.

Depending on the type of accident a helmet may or may not save your life but it may save you from having permanent brain damage.

Bottom line is helmets can make a difference. People wear helmets because of the "what if" factor. Makes sense. What if the backwards skier hit you or me instead of the tree? Two head injuries?

I'm still trying to find one that fits me. Maybe the Giro9 if my local shop gets some in my size. Many Patrollers on my Patrol are wearing helmets. Other Patrollers I know will never wear one.

To each his own but... what if?

If you feel so confident that you will never get injured skiing than go ahead and set your bindigs to the maximun din. That way your skis will never come off causing you discomfort and you will feel cool and macho. Besides, there are no studies that prove proper bindings set at the correct din will save your life.

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