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post #31 of 36
You're dating yourself whith the White Pass turn. Harb calls it the "Von Greunigin move" or a "weighted release" nowdays.
Don't get "out of joint" though, WC skiers have used that move forever. Tomba, Meier, just about every one has done it.
post #32 of 36
Originally Posted by tdk6
Good post JohnH. However, moving your CM up the hill is IMHO not such a bad thing. I call it speed controll or just simply braking our speed. This we do by resisting our CM to accelerate in the fall line. Another thing that seems to be widely missunderstood is that WC racers, and racers in general, are not trying to go as faast as possible at every given moment. They skillfully controll their speed to stay on the track. Just like a racing car driver.
Thanks tdk, but I must disagree with the assertion that moving the CM up the hill controls speed. TURNING the skis up the hill will control speed, but stepping up the hill with the uphill ski parallel or pointing downhill in relation to the downhill ski (as shown by Bode) will not cause you to lose speed. If I traverse the hill and bounce up and down, I'm doing nothing to control my speed. Just wasting energy bouncing up and down. Stepping up the hill is (to a recreational skier who is not making an emergency move) nothing but wasted effort. If you want to control speed, you do it through turn shape and/or skidding.
post #33 of 36

modern stem manuever vs old stem christie

Last year Mermer had us doing the modern stem manuever for the whole projam. I mean ... we did it exclusively for 2.5 days and then worked in and out of it for the rest of the week.

THe modern manuever is quite different from what we learned years ago. In the old stem, the CM and the outside ski moved up the hill. The ski was placed flat on the snow.

In the modern manuever, the CM stays inside and just the ski moves up the hill to be placed on edge. Doing it in a more advanced way means that your Cm isn't just staying over the inside ski but can be moving past it into the turn as you place the outside ski.

It didn't seem that we did any pivoting when we were doing this manuever. There wasn't much (any?) flat ski skiing. It certainly got us using our bodies differently and all of us improved markedly during that week.

post #34 of 36

I’m taking the L3 exam this year too, so we will both work on these regardless. I was thinking about Cannon, what about you?

In this Step Stem, the skiers CM moves inside while the outside ski remains on big toe edge. The skier steps the inside ski up the hill as his CM moves in and places it down on big toe edge. Only then is the old outside ski released.

It seems to me that the goal of the coach is to make the athlete ski fast and efficiently whereas the aim of the instructor is to render upper levels of skiing accessible.

The modern version of the stem step is a really effective teaching tool. I have done the drill with an Eastern examiner and was really amazed at the difference I felt in my own skiing and saw in others. It encourages the skier to do a patient, round and cleanly carved turn. I’ve seen it help skiers who were back and inside of the turn move forward and inside of the turn. If I am on really steep terrain, I will do a few to establish a good movement pattern and go into regular skiing.

A stem step can be modified to suit the needs and ability of the student. At first, the goal can be as simple as riding a clean outside edge. A later evolution is a white pass turn.

Best of luck with your exam endeavors.
post #35 of 36
This week on Ten Weeks to Torino Steve Porino (or was it Chad Fleischer?) named this move. It's called a "Stivot". They had a sequence of Max Blardone doing it. It didn't look much like a stem.
I hadn't seen John H's post when I posted this.
post #36 of 36
Interestingly enough, my level 3 prep group at Pro Jam also covered this topic. What we got was that there were 3 possible christy moves we COULD be tested on:
wedge christy,
modern stem christy,
traditional stem christy.
The primary difference being tested for among these turns was movement of CM. In a wedge christy, the CM moves over the downhill ski to initiate the turn. In a modern stem christy, the CM stays centered. In the traditional stem christy the CM moves slightly uphill. We were told that the modern christy was a highly probable exam task.

Strictly from the viewpoint of demonstrating ability to control movement of CM, I'll (cough) buy this as a "valid" exam task. My group did not get an explanation of the validity/usefulness of the modern stem christy. I read between the lines on that to see it as a stepping stone uncovered by a low tide (i.e. it's there only because it's possible and may be useful in rare situations).

It was explained to us that exam tasks are simply brutally effective means of observing fundamental skills that may or may not also be effective as teaching exercises. My fearless leader also explained that when Killington has enough snow, that there is enough mountain that it is possible (but not 100% likely) to simply ski and by so doing demonstrate the required skills without performing any artifical tasks.

One other theme we got during the week was "options" as an element in high level skiing. This goes directly against the old criticism that PSIA promotes 1 way to ski. During our week we explored options such as retraction turns (collapsing both legs through the upper third of the turn instead of extending the outside leg) as a tool to add to our toolkit and be able to use should conditions (e.g. bumps) warrant. I also got the "options" theme from Michael Rogan at ESA. I smell a trend here. The non-wedge christies are simply tasks that (church lady like) conviently fit the trend.
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