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sub 250$ goretex hardshell?

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
now that the arcteryx sale is over at my local store, my friend is looking for a jacket...i told him to get what i have, the sidewinder but he said he doesnt want to spend more than 250-300 dollars on a jacket, is it possible to get a HARDshell WITH goretec for under 250$????
post #2 of 21
Is he hellbent on the Gore-Tex brand? I ask because since their patent ended a few years back there are other brands that now incorporate a waterproof/breathable laminate on their fabrics. One that comes to mind is the Marmot MemBrain.

Make sure it's a laminate, and not a coating. That's the most comparable to Gore-Tex in waterproof/breathabililty performance.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
i was thinking northface becus they have some nice jackets with hyvent, btw... ive been looking for the tech specs of goretex and cannot find them on their website not even on the labals of my sidewinder jacket wats the g/m water proof mesurement and the breathability mesurment of goretex that i see on all other fabrics such as hyvent and omnisheild.
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
nvm i guess hyvent is out of question becus i just read on their website that it is a coating NOT a membrane like u said is better.
post #5 of 21
Gore-Tex's waterproof rating is 20,000 gmm.

North Face's Hyvent and Columbia's Omnishield (and their Omnitech as well) are both coatings, not laminates. This doesn't mean that they won't perform perfectly well in keeping the snow out, but they are comparable to Gore-Tex.

I get a lot of customers who are hung up on the Gore-Tex name, when they don't really need all that Gore-Tex has to offer.
post #6 of 21
Not under 250, but under $300...

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/xq/...qx/product.htm

I've had this jacket for 2 ski days on the hill - one 20 degrees and windy, the other 0 degrees, windy and snowing. I have no complaints - better than my Marmot shell (lighter, no velcro storm flaps, great hood, great build quality). The only drawback I could see for someone i that it doesn't have any interior pockets - only 4 exterior. I don't miss 'em, but....
post #7 of 21
just got a goretex jacket tonight at our local Eddie bauer Outlet - it was 20% off of 150 - couldn't believe it. Even the sales guy said he couldn't believe they had a goretex coat for that price.
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Mountain Equipment Coop = Not for profit Canadian store for the self propelled outdoor consumer. They carry top notch gear under there own brand label, including a variety of Gortex jackets. As it is a coop, you need a membership to purchase, but $5 gets you a lifetime membership.

Prices are in Cdn $$, but they do ship to the US. They have 5 or 6 stores spread across the country and an online store at: www.mec.ca

Anything I have purcahed there over the years is top notch quality. I have two soft shells from them, and they were a third the price of North Face or Arteryx. The quality and fit are comparable to these top brands.

Their most basic Gortex jacket goes for $155 Cdn. This is regular price not a sale. http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444254 2713&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302699279&bmUID= 1134225928884
post #11 of 21
marmot membrain works great. i bought a marmot java jacket from sierra trading post for $100 (yes $100!) & it performs great. works just like gore-tex, even windproof which is key for a ski jacket.
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
sumone said goretex is 20,000g/mm waterproof and brethable, i saw an omni sheild today that was 50,000 does that mean that it is better? i dunno if my friend would like the colour tho cus it was like orange with black pits and white line down the middle.... kinda weird sad it was the only one... too bad hyvent and omnisheild are not laminates...
post #13 of 21
Just bought a Marmot Triple Trouble for $184. I used to have Gore-tex and it was great, but it is 7 years old and it doesn't "proof" the water as well as it used to. Thus the new jacket.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by migibs
Just bought a Marmot Triple Trouble for $184. I used to have Gore-tex and it was great, but it is 7 years old and it doesn't "proof" the water as well as it used to. Thus the new jacket.
You could have some some $$ by just applying a new durable water resistant coating made by gore or nikwax. The goretex itself should not lose water repellency unless it is physically compromised.

Personally I have a serac shell and a karbon jacket. They both have laminate water proofing. The only practical difference is that they are not as breathable as goretex xcr. For my needs I'm happy paying about $100 each.
post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
i already have my goretex shell and i'm more than happy with it, my friend said he would like the same but he doesn't want to dish out 500$ for a jacket... i was thinking maybe he shud get one of the different waterproof systems but my previous jacket was columbia and i had the 10000 omnisheild and one day it was raining and boy i was so wet at the end of the day, so i'm very reluctant about recommending any other fabrics to him.
post #16 of 21
Gore-tex XCR 3-layer is 48 000mm/ breathability - around 20 000ml
Gore-tex XCR 2-layer is 28 000mm/ around 30 000ml

The only difference to the classical non XCR goretex is, that XCR breathes betters. DWR is not considered at all. I would say DWR should itself give something like 2000 mm waterresistance but does not add waterproofness.
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
wow god post i never knew that the total waterproofness meant the membrane specs+the dwr specs. lol that must mean that omnisheild is all dwr because it seriously sucks, i was at the mall today and saw a jacket my friend mite like but then i looked in it and it had no fkin powder skirt! i beleive it was marmot nice orangy colour and it did have goretex it was around 300 but no powder skirt.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by staffpro
wow god post i never knew that the total waterproofness meant the membrane specs+the dwr specs. lol that must mean that omnisheild is all dwr because it seriously sucks, i was at the mall today and saw a jacket my friend mite like but then i looked in it and it had no fkin powder skirt! i beleive it was marmot nice orangy colour and it did have goretex it was around 300 but no powder skirt.
Nope DWR watherproofness will only be labeled if there is no membrane. In canse of a membrane DWR doesnt count. so in case of a membrane (hyvent (not as waterproof but breathing better than gore-tex) and gore-tex XCR are considered to be the best membranes available) the DWR is not considered. The reason for DWR Treatment is not to achieve a waterproof jacket but to have a dry outer layer. This in turn allows the jacket to breath. If the shell is on the outside soaking wet, water will still not go through the membrane to the inside, but moisture/sweat cannot pass from the inside out anymore. Therefore many people were saying bad goretex, it doesn't keep me dry anymore, while the would only have needed to clean the membrane by washing and applying a new DWR finish.

Many jackets/pants will say they only have DWR treatment (Burton does it in the cheaper lines - saying they are only 5000mm waterproof - while in reality a lot more) while actually having a very cheap membrane like Entrant in it. So people buying the still very expensive Burton jackets from the lower priced lines and are happy, while other people will say 5000mm waterproofness are never enough.
However there are some DWR treatments/laminates that are supposed to give real waterproofness though I don't trust their abrasion resistance.
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www.reioutlet.com as well as those last 2
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
so hyvent is a membrane? and i was just wondering why sum manufactures do not put powder skirts in their jackets.
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