Originally Posted by staffpro
wow god post i never knew that the total waterproofness meant the membrane specs+the dwr specs. lol that must mean that omnisheild is all dwr because it seriously sucks, i was at the mall today and saw a jacket my friend mite like but then i looked in it and it had no fkin powder skirt! i beleive it was marmot nice orangy colour and it did have goretex it was around 300 but no powder skirt.
Nope DWR watherproofness will only be labeled if there is no membrane. In canse of a membrane DWR doesnt count. so in case of a membrane (hyvent (not as waterproof but breathing better than gore-tex) and gore-tex XCR are considered to be the best membranes available) the DWR is not considered. The reason for DWR Treatment is not to achieve a waterproof jacket but to have a dry outer layer. This in turn allows the jacket to breath. If the shell is on the outside soaking wet, water will still not go through the membrane to the inside, but moisture/sweat cannot pass from the inside out anymore. Therefore many people were saying bad goretex, it doesn't keep me dry anymore, while the would only have needed to clean the membrane by washing and applying a new DWR finish.
Many jackets/pants will say they only have DWR treatment (Burton does it in the cheaper lines - saying they are only 5000mm waterproof - while in reality a lot more) while actually having a very cheap membrane like Entrant in it. So people buying the still very expensive Burton jackets from the lower priced lines and are happy, while other people will say 5000mm waterproofness are never enough.
However there are some DWR treatments/laminates that are supposed to give real waterproofness though I don't trust their abrasion resistance.