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post #31 of 55

Great Thread

[quote=iskitoofast4u]
AFAIC, "the genuine experience" is a matter of perception. Perception, as we all know, is unique to each individual. quote]

Well said.

My story is similar. My dad put me on skis at 3 on our local hill which has all of 200 vertical ft. As ten yr old, he took me to Vail for the first time. I have been fortunate enough to have skied all over the country since then. In fact Saturday, my dad, brother and I will be going to Vail for our 24th consecutive year together! I have stayed in the finest hotels and slept in my car in pursuit of "the genuine experience."

What I have come to is this. As long as I am standing on skis making turns in snow, with my family and friends, I coundn't care less if I am doing it on 3500ft of vertical or 200.

I am excited to be going back to Vail again. I know that with my dad and brother, we will ski from the first chair to the last for 5 stragiht days. But I also know that each night when I talk to my kids they will make sure I still want to take them skiing next Sunday. And although we will get to our hill 2 hrs after it opens and probably only stay for a few hrs and take 2 lunch breaks, I am not sure what I am more excited about.
post #32 of 55
[quote=gretch6364]I love how some people are just lead like sheep...have you even looked at MPG ratings...a Hummer (H2) does not have the worse gas mileage...try taking a look at some of the dodge trucks and suvs with the hemi...or hemicypherical head...which is not all that efficient...you just single out the Hummer becuase that is what you have been taught to do...try forming your own opinion for once...

Oh and what is that makes a Hummer useless? Do you even know anything about them? Towing capacity...off road prowes...chick factor...Like I said...a sheep...


Like I said....an idiot.
post #33 of 55
I drive a mini van. Is that ok?
post #34 of 55
[quote=E-CRAM]
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Originally Posted by gretch6364
I love how some people are just lead like sheep...have you even looked at MPG ratings...a Hummer (H2) does not have the worse gas mileage...try taking a look at some of the dodge trucks and suvs with the hemi...or hemicypherical head...which is not all that efficient...you just single out the Hummer becuase that is what you have been taught to do...try forming your own opinion for once...
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Originally Posted by gretch6364

Oh and what is that makes a Hummer useless? Do you even know anything about them? Towing capacity...off road prowes...chick factor...Like I said...a sheep...


Like I said....an idiot.
I think it unfair that you left out the best part of my post therefore I will repost it for people such as yourself:

" quick get out of your lazy boy and go vote the evil republicans are going to take away your social security...:"


Now, that is much better isn't it...*******...I love arguing with you people..too bad I can never get you to actually think about what your saying...oh well...."The world is full of stupid people"

On the bright side...we got to move all the Hummers into the new building...I hope they like thier new home....as well as they are selling though...they won't be there long!!!
post #35 of 55
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Originally Posted by Coach13
I thought about this often and I think it's "atmosphere" that drives the "genuine experience", at least from most people's perspective.

When we go to Vail, we go for expansive terrain, snow quality, and the overall skiing that goes with these factors. The glitz is there, but we stray away from it and do our own thing, much as we do everywhere else we ski. I don't think that the mere existence of the glitz detracts from our "genuine experience". From that perspective, I'll contend this "experience" is more of a feeling, rather than a reality regardless of where you ski.
I agree you can do that...we do it too.

The only problem is your paying for something your not using (the glitz).
post #36 of 55
www.blueknob.com MRG of the southern states, Id o like the smaller ski areas myself.
post #37 of 55
[quote=gretch6364][quote=E-CRAM]



Now, that is much better isn't it...*******...I love arguing with you people..too bad I can never get you to actually think about what your saying...oh well...."The world is full of stupid people"


Sorry guy. It's just too easy. Reminds me of a friend who was always complaining that the Republicans had a habit of employing such idiots during public debates... O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, etc...
post #38 of 55
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Originally Posted by Posaune
Owning a Hummer is an affront to the whole human race. It is a useless machine that wastes resources that can never be replaced. If I had unlimited riches it would never even enter my mind to own a monstrosity like that. Jelous, indeed. Harumph.
Although I don't disagree with you on principle, I don't think it's fair to single out Hummer owners only. Hell, a friend of mine owns an Audi wagon with an 8 cylinder engine that puts out 350 horsepower at somewhere between 12-22'ish m.p.g. We could go back and forth on this track for hours, but let's not. It's sufficient to state that, IMHO, pointing out the evils of Hummer owners is patently ridiculous.

Have you ever thought about what a waste of oil snowmaking is? Just to get a halfpipe open can cost upwards of $25,000 in electricity alone at some areas!

I was sitting in traffic this morning, and as I looked over at the girl in the Toyota Prius I caught her sipping some water...from a plastic Poland Springs bottle. :
post #39 of 55
I guess we have all made our points and we can move on....it is very said that Blue Knob is not open yet...it would be awesome to ski there when this storm rolls through this weekend...hopefully it hits us hard
post #40 of 55
I saw a brand-new Hummer in the parking lot at Ski Cooper a few years ago. You just never know what to think sometimes.
post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by jeffr
Different strokes for different folks I guess, since what sounds good to me is cramming five best buddies in an old beat up van, then driving 6 hours straight taking turn at the weel, telling tall tales while listening to good music and then staying at the ratiest motel possible in order to be able to ski 5 to 6 days on end. This is freedom at its best: you don't care about appoinments, you only care about the snow and maybe bedding that chick at the bar, the one who is a little on the pudgy side but that a few beers will make the cutest little thing you ever laid upon your eyes upon - for a time at least... I don't need no Hummer, I don't need no fur coats, no bling, no anything: all I need friends by my side and the meanest mountain possible. Money is overrated .
Thanks for the laugh. It is all about the snow and the terrain!!!!!!!! Indeed.
I don't need a 4 wheeled hummer either, but I'll take a... yeah well, the snow
post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by jeffr
Different strokes for different folks I guess, since what sounds good to me is cramming five best buddies in an old beat up van, then driving 6 hours straight taking turn at the weel, telling tall tales while listening to good music and then staying at the ratiest motel possible in order to be able to ski 5 to 6 days on end. This is freedom at its best: you don't care about appoinments, you only care about the snow and maybe bedding that chick at the bar, the one who is a little on the pudgy side but that a few beers will make the cutest little thing you ever laid upon your eyes upon - for a time at least... I don't need no Hummer, I don't need no fur coats, no bling, no anything: all I need friends by my side and the meanest mountain possible. Money is overrated .
This sounds good, but did you ever think that the trip you just described would be labeled as expensive by some people. Wasting $60 on a lift ticket to slide down some snow, what a waste of money.

It's all relative. Who are you to say that something is 'bling'. Maybe someone with less money than you would describe your trip as extravagent.

My point is, do it for yourself, and don't worry about someone buying a Hummer. Besides, if more people buy a Hummer and go to Vail to be seen and ski 1 hour a day, that leaves more room on the slopes for the rest of us hard core skiers. Let them sit in the lodge in their fur coats, it leaves better snow for us.
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by cbgarrett
Besides, if more people buy a Hummer and go to Vail to be seen and ski 1 hour a day, that leaves more room on the slopes for the rest of us hard core skiers. Let them sit in the lodge in their fur coats, it leaves better snow for us.
That's why you can find local shots, stashes, etc. on nearly every mountain you visit -- even if the "preferred clientele" have no desire to ski such terrain.
post #44 of 55
Gretch do you own a hummer dealership or what?
post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by gretch6364
I love how some people are just lead like sheep...have you even looked at MPG ratings...a Hummer (H2) does not have the worse gas mileage...try taking a look at some of the dodge trucks and suvs with the hemi...or hemicypherical head...which is not all that efficient...you just single out the Hummer becuase that is what you have been taught to do...try forming your own opinion for once...

Oh and what is that makes a Hummer useless? Do you even know anything about them? Towing capacity...off road prowes...chick factor...Like I said...a sheep...

quick get out of you lazy boy and go vote the evil republicans are going to take away your social security...:
Hey, there are LOTS of vehicles that are just as bad or worse. It was you who mentioned the Hummer. Any chick that would be impressed by a Hummer is of no interest to me. Don't talk to me about off-road. It just raises my blood pressure.
post #46 of 55
Now if I had the Money I would have a H2. When it's blizzard like outside i'd be in that thing on the way to ski I would'nt have worry to much about road condtions or pot holes. That thing is made for Skiers!! Of course i'd go to the smaller hills (I hate lift lines) and i'd have some friends packed in with me. Hummers are awesome!!
post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by iskitoofast4u
That's why you can find local shots, stashes, etc. on nearly every mountain you visit -- even if the "preferred clientele" have no desire to ski such terrain.
Agree totally. Any ski area can be good on any given day. But my best ski day 'experiences' have been on days when it was less crowded; so I guess for me my best times are at ski areas where the odds of finding good snow and no people are both high. It just seems to make it less memorable if I am constantly dodging everyone. But if it is crowded, that does lead to more exploring for stashes off the beaten track.
post #48 of 55
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Originally Posted by jrbd
I saw a brand-new Hummer in the parking lot at Ski Cooper a few years ago. You just never know what to think sometimes.
Did anyone help them out with directions for the fastest way to Vail?
post #49 of 55
Alta. People come from all over the world to ski it but it still has the Genuine feel to it. Low price ticket. No huge development. Just primo snow and terrain.
post #50 of 55
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Originally Posted by cbgarrett
My point is, do it for yourself, and don't worry about someone buying a Hummer. Besides, if more people buy a Hummer and go to Vail to be seen and ski 1 hour a day, that leaves more room on the slopes for the rest of us hard core skiers. Let them sit in the lodge in their fur coats, it leaves better snow for us.
Do you mean to tell me I am not a hardcore skier if I go to Vail? Where can I go to be more hardcore?
post #51 of 55
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Originally Posted by 12CSki
Do you mean to tell me I am not a hardcore skier if I go to Vail? Where can I go to be more hardcore?
Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but I am not saying that at all. I'm sure Vail has just as many if not more hardcore skiers than anywhere else.

Just pointing out we should be glad for the non-hardcore skiers because they don't ski when the weather is bad or its too cold. More room for us to roam!
post #52 of 55
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Originally Posted by 12CSki
Do you mean to tell me I am not a hardcore skier if I go to Vail? Where can I go to be more hardcore?
Go to Buttermilk that place is wicked sick!
post #53 of 55

ends of the spectrum

On the far end of one side of the spectrum I find the most genuine experiences are in the realm of hut trips, car shuttles on the pass, hiking for turns.

On the other end, I find the cookie cutter commercialized Intrawest type resorts the least genuine.

Somewhere in the middle you have the "little guy" ski area that provide lift access, a burger, beer and no lodging.

I think there's a common denominator as you slide over to the least genuine experiences ...residential and commercial real estate development.
post #54 of 55
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Originally Posted by Seven
I think there's a common denominator as you slide over to the least genuine experiences ...residential and commercial real estate development.
What do you think of Telluride? I skied there for the first time last year, and, although there is an abundance of stupid-expensive houses along some of the trails, I found nothing un-genuiane about the place.

You want "genuine"? Go to Silverton and check out their lodge (a pole tent) and their rental building (a school bus burried in the snow). Talk about ONLY being about the skiing.......
post #55 of 55
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Originally Posted by gretch6364
...I just don't understand why people can't get over thier jealousy...you will try and tell me that this is not what it is...but truth be known if you are honest with yourself you probably hate anyone who is better than you at anything....here you are trying to bring down people who are better at making money...now you could claim that you are just hating on people who show thier money and you can claim to be rich...and blah blah blah...
Trying to keep a straight face as I'm laughing my ass off....You just don't get it do you? Yes, that's it I'm jealous of you Hummer. BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!! What if I told you I'm plenty good at making money too? I could easily afford that ugly piece of crap you call a Hummer. Just choose not to. Have priorities in other places, such as not making such a big foot print on the Earth.

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Originally Posted by gretch6364
...It just erks me when people do this crap...if I want to buy a Hummer...so what...it is my money...
Indeed it is. But it's also MY Earth (and about 5.5 billion others). We should have a say in how our resources are collectivley used. Never mind you just don't get it......

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Originally Posted by gretch6364
......but some guy bringing his kids to the ski slope for quality time (maybe they even go to a private school...OMG!!!), with a hot women on his arm with a fur coat, finishing up his Starbucks becuase if he doesn't he will get a headache from lack of caffiine due to his secretary bringing him a fresh cup every 3 hours....sounds good to me...
Did you really say "hot woman"? The Hummer got you the "hot woman" didn't it? Dang it! I knew I should have bought one.

Shaking my head and walking away....can't look back......

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