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post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hi I'm a newbie to this forum and have done a little reaserch into past topics regarding All Mountain skis. Tomorrow I've got the possibility to test the Volkl AC 3/4 skis and the Nordica Hot Rods.
I'm 5'8" and weigh 76 kg which I think should be around 167lbs. I do most of my skiing here in the Dolomites where unfortunately most of the pistes are (too) groomed but I try and ski all the bumps I can find (not many) and try and get off piste when conditions allow (and there are no policemen around because it is considered an offence!). Considering that I probably do 90% piste 10% bumps and 10% off-piste (crud/powder) what length ski do you suggest would be best to use. I'm an expert skier, like to carve longish turns at speed (not race) on hardpack but off-piste prefer to do shorter quick turns.
From the information I've gathered on the forum I'm swayed to the AC3 because I probably don't really need the girth of the AC4 mainly skiing on piste and the AC3 should give me better edge hold and (?) be a little quicker/more flexible in the bumps. I'll also try the Hot Rods but I believe that they are stiffer and may be a little harder to ski in the bumps (I'm 42 and want to watch out for my back!).
If you could give me some input into lengths to try out and reasoning I would be very grateful. Thanks.
post #2 of 22
try a range.
What works for some, might not work for you.
In your searches you should have come across suggestions.
If you're an expert, you ought to have a place to start.
post #3 of 22
170cm AC-3 will be perfect. Enjoy!
post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 
Got to the test late, had to stop and buy some gear for my daughter in a friends shop in Cortina and it was packed!!! Got to the slopes at 3pm! The rep was putting the skis away and wouldn't let me have any. I pointed to the AC3 and told him that I was interested in buying one but needed to try it first. He looked at it and remarked that no-one had asked for it or taken it out for a ride and so he let me have it-but only for 1 run! So as a good law-abiding Italian citizen I promised that I would bring it straight back (but did 1 1/2 runs).
Over the last 3 years I've skied a Salomon RC 176cms and I must say that I've loved it. Great carver when pushed on its edge, quick edge-to-edge, good in moguls but when I venture off-piste in isn't very stable in crud and sinks a little too much in powder.
The only AC3 they had was a 177. I have to add that this run was the first run that I had skied since April, not an ideal test condition I know!
The ski felt heavier and less reactive that the Salomon not very quick on short turns. The snow was very hardpack and I had a struggle to get the edge to bite. Its certainly stiffer and in the soft moguls I had a problem keeping on top of it. All in all I must admit that I didn't enjoy it very much.
But I'm not one for giving up so easily! I know that it wasn't an ideal situation to be testing a ski. They will be coming to another resort close by next weekend so I WILL be giving it another go. I think though that the 177 is too long for my style/liking and I agree that the 170 will probably be a better proposition.
I also noticed that they had the Allstar. Any one have any idea how it compares ride-wise to the AC3?
post #5 of 22
The 170 will be much better for you!
post #6 of 22
Renz, definately try the 170cm. I'm 185cm and 90kg and ski the AC3 in 170. You will find the shorter ski much quicker edge to edge and when loaded up the ski has a lot of rebound energy. I think you will find it a lot of fun in the shorter size.
post #7 of 22
Hi Renz,

Was suprised to read that you're skiing in the dolomites - thie readership of this forum is certainly expanding! A further suprise was the ski's you're demo-ing!! Last winter these mid-fat all mountain type of skiis were very hard to come by in italy. This year, my local shops have indicated that they will not be stocking the Metron, AC3/4 or Nordica Hot Rod type of skiis because they are too difficult to sell. Have you seen any of these type of ski's on the slopes? Are the shops in Cortina stocking them? If so, what are the indicative retail prices? Last year the Metron B5's were selling at Euro1,000+ in my local shops... It will be a month before I'm back in italy and i'm retying to decide whether to order some ski's from the US or take a chance and hope I can find them in Italy.

Cheers for the info,

redline
post #8 of 22
Interestingly your findings about the AC3 on hardpack were identical to mine in St Anton. Maybe Europe has a different class of ice/hardpack to the US? I ended up buying the Head iM72 because its ice hold was far superior to the AC3 - might be worth a try if you can lay your hands on it?

And to Redline, I don't know about Italy, I'm afraid, but the Swiss ski shops are stocking practically nothing with more than 70mm waist. France is looking more promising in that respect and we had to go to Austria to demo what we were looking for.
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hi Redline.You might be surprised to know that we do have computers here in Italy too!
My friend runs Olimpia Sport in the centre of Cortina. Its the showcase shop for the Tecnica and Nordica group which includes Elan. He is stocking the AC4, Nordica Top Fuel and Eliminator. It's the only place I've seen them and I haven't seen any other models anywhere. In fact if I want the AC3 he has to see if the factory can send him one, but he shouldn't have any problems. If you're interested in some specific models sizes and prices let me know and I'll find out if he has them.
Mid-fats just don't sell here. I was talking to an Atomic/Head dealer the other day and he says that they don't stock them because nobody asks for them he didn't even know about the Metron line.In fact when I went to demo the other day I asked the rep for the AC3's and he didn't seem to know what I was talking about until I pointed to them. He said that nobody had ever taken them out!
To confirm what eng_ch was saying the only place to find those types of skis seems to be Austria and France (get quite a few on ebay from Austria/Germany). Probably because people just don't do off-piste here. (Apart from it being illegal most people interested in off-piste ,me included, normally get involved in ski-moutaineering). The pistes are so prefectly groomed here every night that most skiers haven't even got a clue about what to do when they get a few bumps at the end of the day!
Thanks for your suggestion about the Monster iM72 eng_ch, only problem as you've already figured out is getting hold of one!
post #10 of 22
Unfortunately what is said in this thread about avaialibity for All-Mountain skis is true. I'm living near Munich and was in favour for an Voelkl AC4 in 184cm but couldn't get them anywhere. An email I've sent to Voelkl in Germany was answered, that there was very little stock and they are run out of them already!
So that's it for me. Running around in the shops, you realize, that the sales staff has no glue about all-Mountain Skies and what they are for.
post #11 of 22
I live me too in italy, and I confirm the difficulty to find or more difficult to test the ski like volkl AC4 that I am interested.
Maybe I will go to cortina shop thanks to renz.

For elkam if you live in munich I find in internet this very furnished shop
and with some very good price:
http://www.sport-conrad.de/
I hope is near you.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hi Tognola, I know that Volkl/Nordica and Elan have regular ski tests like the one I did in Cortina this week. I only saw the Volkl stand and they only had an AC3 177 in the mid-fat types. Next week they are in Zoldo and I'm planning to go and see what Nordica and Elan have. If I go I'll post on here and let you know which models they normally take so that maybe you an organise to try them in one of their future tests.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Renz
Hi Tognola, I know that Volkl/Nordica and Elan have regular ski tests like the one I did in Cortina this week. I only saw the Volkl stand and they only had an AC3 177 in the mid-fat types. Next week they are in Zoldo and I'm planning to go and see what Nordica and Elan have. If I go I'll post on here and let you know which models they normally take so that maybe you an organise to try them in one of their future tests.
If they take the AC3 in zoldo I'll go for sure, thanks of our good news.
post #14 of 22
Great thread guys and glad to see you're helping each other out. Good luck in your search.

P.S. I lived in Napoli from 1989-1992. Bella Italia
post #15 of 22
The other problem with off-piste in a lot of Europe, from what I hear, is that if it isn't illegal (Italy, Switzerland), there either isn't any powder or there's so much that it's too dangerous. Having said that, the reason I went for the iM72 was that we do 50% of our skiing in France where the grooming isn't always efficient

(Just to clarify, there are places in CH where you can do backcountry stuff e.g. Davos, Flims, but they are specific areas and marked as such on the piste map)
post #16 of 22
Ciao Renz,

I'm not suprised about the computers, rather that usually the IT savy italian skiers tend to be found on other forums, such as Fantaski ... From the sound of it Tognola is also a dolomiti skier ... Infact Tognola/San Martino di Castrozza is my local ski area when I'm in Italy!

So...... I'm on the brink of buying a some new skii's and i've narrowed down the choice to the Metron B5 and Nordica TF which i assumed i'd have to buy from the US. However i'm having second thoughts simply because no one seems to ski them in italy. There MUST be a reason for this, other than marketing or the italian addiction to pseudo-race skiis??? Perhaps this type of ski is just unsuitable to our conditions? Any thoughts??

About the off-piste ........ well, technically it is illegal, but the italian tradition of bending some rules is alive and well, at least in my area! I've had some memorable off-piste action in the last few years, ableit not very often due to lack of regular snow....

Anyway, i'd be curious about your feedback regarding mid-fats suitability to the dolomiti, particularly the TF, and if your friend has any availible it would definitely warrant a drive to Cortina to get them!

Ciao,
redline
post #17 of 22
Renz,

I just re-read your original post - did you ever get to try the TF? Does your friend perchance stock it in 170cm length and if so roughly what are the prices? Sorry for all the questions, but i am litteraly in the middle of the desert with no access to info except through the www. I want to make sure that when i get home i spend my days on the snow, not hunting around northern italy looking for some elusive ski's....

redline
post #18 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by redline
From the sound of it Tognola is also a dolomiti skier ... Infact Tognola/San Martino di Castrozza is my local ski area when I'm in Italy!

So...... I'm on the brink of buying a some new skii's and i've narrowed down the choice to the Metron B5 and Nordica TF which i assumed i'd have to buy from the US. However i'm having second thoughts simply because no one seems to ski them in italy. There MUST be a reason for this, other than marketing or the italian addiction to pseudo-race skiis??? Perhaps this type of ski is just unsuitable to our conditions? Any thoughts??
Redline, or linea rossa :-) I am italian, from Vicenza, are you italian?
FOr your help, I have tested the nordica hot rod top fuel at san martino of castrozza in the shop slalom, not the sass maor (only fashion jacket) but in the rent dependance, at the road under the little church, after the "sfizio" bar, do you know?
20€ for a day, I found it very easy, and with a great great edge, work very good in the iced part of the final schuss of the black piste of tognola.
In offpiste I found it good but non super, turny ok, but in the neve crostosa, wind exposed take an edge too much for my taste...
post #19 of 22
Ciao Tognola!

Great to find someone on this forum that has skied the same areas as me :-) I am infact from Fiera di Primiero so when I'm home i ski the Tognola/Ces/Rolle areas... I'm suprised you found the Top Fuel in the Slalom shop, which infact belongs to a relative of mine! Gli ho rotto le balle last winter because he didn't have any mid-fats, so i guess he took notice ... Did you notice if he had any Metrons by chance, as i think he stocks Atomic as well...

How did you find the Top Fuel as a single ski for 'our' pistes? I spent the last few years using either my Rossi 9S or Atomic 9.18's and wanted to replace them with a single ski... Any suggestions?

redline
post #20 of 22
Hey Tognola,

What length TF did you test? How much do you weigh and what level do you ski? Did you ever try the Metron B5? Are they comparable?

Ciao,

redline
post #21 of 22
Hi Renz, Tognola?

Any update from the demo-day in Zoldo?

Cheers,

Redline
post #22 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by redline
Hey Tognola,

What length TF did you test? How much do you weigh and what level do you ski? Did you ever try the Metron B5? Are they comparable?

Ciao,

redline
There is only 2 TF, mine was 174.
I weight 85 kg, and I am cm. 190.
I don't know what is my level, I love old short turns, moguls not much iced and steep & deep (very rare in dolomiti usually only in the start of december and april) that I search in the alps.
My favourite piste are Forcella Rossa, or Labirinti in Cortina, and Fodoma in Arabba if you know. Forcella Pordoi in the Sella or Mattun in Arlberg but are not groomed
I don't have tested the B5, but the stormirer XL, and a dynastar intuitiv 74 and now the public enemy...
In the past I tested the atomic 9.16 e 9.12 very easy ski, but for the piste.
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