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Recommended Wax for ESA

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
I'd like wax type recommendations from Utah buffs for ESA at end of Jan in Snowbird & then for The Gathering & the surrounding resorts over the following week.

It's a bit early I know but I'll probably need to order in the right wax.
post #2 of 27
How about a nice universal with graphite. The Zoom Dominator Graphite will cover you in most of what you'd find.
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
How about a nice universal with graphite. The Zoom Dominator Graphite will cover you in most of what you'd find.
What's the benefit of the graphite?
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by spyderjon
What's the benefit of the graphite?
Quicker dissipation of triboelectric charges.

Allegedly.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by spyderjon
What's the benefit of the graphite?
U can rite ur name wit it!
post #6 of 27
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Originally Posted by comprex
Quicker dissipation of triboelectric charges.
"Psuedo-hallogenic compound, cyenigen, uh-huh" "..and what is the approximate dry weight of a Madagascar fruit tree bat?"
post #7 of 27
You mean you don't know?
post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
You mean you don't know?
Some snowHeader reckons a low temp wax. But what do they know
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by spyderjon
Some snowHeader reckons a low temp wax. But what do they know
jon, I was responding to UPRacer's Dragnet quote!
post #10 of 27
Fox..... I knew I could count on you!
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
jon, I was responding to UPRacer's Dragnet quote!
Doh! . Anyway, which particular low temp wax do you use? I've got some Holmenkol Ultramix for -14 to -20C. What d'ya reckon?
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
How about a nice universal with graphite. The Zoom Dominator Graphite will cover you in most of what you'd find.
I'd recommend the same (or the Zoom without graphite to save some money).

Unlike other "universal" waxes the Zoom stuff really works without many compromises. I just got sick of trying to wax for specific temps and not being able to wax more than a few days ahead of time to make sure I didn't put the wrong wax on my boards. I used Toko for years, but never thought much of their universal wax. That all changed when I tried out the Dominator stuff. I'll never go back - for typical recreational use the Dominator Zoom universal stuff is all you need to know.
post #13 of 27
I use a basic cold temperature wax & would recommend using the same if the temperatures are cold. I use either the Dominator Basix Hydro Wax, -4 to 20 F (-20 to -7 C) or Holmenkol Cold Universal Wax Formula, -4 to 23 F (-20 to -5 C). These waxes are really hard so you need to scrape them when they're still warm. One advantage of the them being hard is if the snow is cold & soft a single hot wax should last through the entire ESA.
post #14 of 27
Rio, you don't know jon! He'll be waxing every day, and maybe twice on Sundays...
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
Rio, you don't know jon! He'll be waxing every day, and maybe twice on Sundays...
There's always lunchtimes as well

Thanks for the info guys. I've just sourced an online Dominator supplier in the UK & I already have some Holmenkol low temp wax so it looks like I'm sorted.
post #16 of 27
Go with the Hyper Zoom, I have been using it for years. Love it. For colder days I'll sprinkle on some of there cold powder and melt it in. Have it left over from when the kids were racing.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by Noodler
I'd recommend the same (or the Zoom without graphite to save some money).

Unlike other "universal" waxes the Zoom stuff really works without many compromises. I just got sick of trying to wax for specific temps and not being able to wax more than a few days ahead of time to make sure I didn't put the wrong wax on my boards. I used Toko for years, but never thought much of their universal wax. That all changed when I tried out the Dominator stuff. I'll never go back - for typical recreational use the Dominator Zoom universal stuff is all you need to know.
What do you think of the idea of crayoning on the zoom graphite, then dripping on zoom regular on top? Then on days when you really want to go fast adding some hydro over that?
post #18 of 27
Excuse me for butting in with a question here - but is the general concensus that the TOKO all purpose wax is not much good? It is the only wax I have ever used, so I wouldn't know the difference.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Nogs
Excuse me for butting in with a question here - but is the general concensus that the TOKO all purpose wax is not much good? It is the only wax I have ever used, so I wouldn't know the difference.
I'm sure it's fine. We all have our ideas, and there are differences, but to a certain degree wax is wax. It will protect your bases and if used regularly you'll be a world better off than people who don't wax except once or twice a season.

In certain conditions wax choice for a recreational skier makes a noticable difference, wet snow, long catwalks where the more glide you have the less pushing you need to do.

Otherwise my understanding is that hitting the wax "just right" isn't that big a deal unless you're racing.

For me a universal is fine, in the Spring I'll use warm weather wax, to keep them running, and if it's bitter cold I may use some cold weather wax, which stays on the ski longer, but a universal does the job just fine for most conditions. Toko vs. Dominator? Who knows? I'm sure there are a multitude of subtle reasons one is better than the other - but................
post #20 of 27
Errrrr, are you expecting it to be cold then.:

This isn't the ESA East I've signed up for, is it?

I've got my extra cold -25*c Tremblant special on standby now
post #21 of 27
Thanks, SkiMangoJazz.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by Nogs
Excuse me for butting in with a question here - but is the general concensus that the TOKO all purpose wax is not much good? It is the only wax I have ever used, so I wouldn't know the difference.
Their molybdenum one is actually pretty good, and crayons on well, unlike some cheaper uni waxes.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by marc gledhill
Errrrr, are you expecting it to be cold then.:

This isn't the ESA East I've signed up for, is it?

I've got my extra cold -25*c Tremblant special on standby now
Sandy, UT is a fun-loving 4 degrees F (-16C) so no need to worry, you can leave the 800-fill down at home.
post #24 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nogs
Excuse me for butting in with a question here - but is the general concensus that the TOKO all purpose wax is not much good? It is the only wax I have ever used, so I wouldn't know the difference.
I can only say that quite a few times I found myself literally "sticking" to the snow with it when attempting to use it in warmer conditions. It may be fine for the super cold weather, but I never tried it in those conditions.

I also found that the universal from Toko didn't hold up very well either. It was "puttering" out before my day was done.

The Dominator Zoom is a slightly harder wax than the Toko universal and it supposedly "adjusts" automagically to temperature changes. All I can say is that it didn't stick in warmer temps at the end of last season and it's been durable for a heavy day of skiing in cold conditions so far this season.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
What do you think of the idea of crayoning on the zoom graphite, then dripping on zoom regular on top? Then on days when you really want to go fast adding some hydro over that?
Honestly, I rarely mix waxes or work on "special" wax recipes to get that added advantage. I just wanted to find a durable all-purpose wax that I didn't have to fuss with or worry about the conditions it would be used in.
post #26 of 27
When I lived in Oregon I used Toko Universal. Now that I'm in Montana where the temperatures run much colder I stopped using it. The Toko Universal just didn't cut it when temperatures dropped into the lower teens. I've switched to using semi-universal waxes aimed at a broad range of cold temperatures for when its cold.
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by marc gledhill
Errrrr, are you expecting it to be cold then.:

This isn't the ESA East I've signed up for, is it?

I've got my extra cold -25*c Tremblant special on standby now
Twenty-five below for Tremblant? That their idea of spring-skiing isn't it?

Ok, I had to do the conversion here, as my American brain doesn't work in celsius. -25*c is equivalent to 13 below, Faherenheit. If the ESA East was in January, I'd be betting that wouldn't be cold enough.

Curious here -- what is the coldest temperature wax out there? Is there any appreciable waxing differences for snow frozen to a mere -10F and snow frozen to -30F?
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