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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I'm 48, 5'11, 225 and ski 35+ days a year, mainly off-piste. I have a pair of Volkl Pro's (love them -- best ski I've been on) and a pair of 5* (which I do not like -- too soft). Given that I live and ski primarily in CO, I'm thinking of getting something a bit wider for the incredible snow we have at the moment.

A bit more about my skiing -- I'd say I'm a level 9 skier. I did Steep and Deep at JH last year, and take advantage of the Copper ski lesson deal (lessons on each and every Sunday for $200). I'm still adjusting to off-piste skiing, but it probably accounts for 70% of my skiing -- including a few glades, chutes, and steeps. We'll be returning to JH this winter.

So, what would you guys recommend as a compliment to my Pro's? I don't want something that is more or less what I've got, and I don't think that a full-on powder ski makes sense in CO (how many days do you get to ski bottomless pow here)? So, I've been eyeing the Mantra's, but really am unsure what else to try.

Thanks for the help
Mike
post #2 of 24
Stockli SS Pro
Volkl Mantra
Head IM:88

Later

GREG
post #3 of 24
At 94 mm underfoot, wouldn't you consider the Mantra's an all-out powder ski? I usually think of anything over 90 as a strictly deep-snow ski - although I've heard the Mantra's carve well for their size

There's a lot of skis in the the 80 to 90 mm range with good versatility. The Head IM 88's get a lot of rave reviews, as do the new Rossi B:3's.

I own the Atomic Metron EX's, at 84 mm underfoot, and I really love 'em. They're nimble on the hardpack (for 84 mm), yet float in anything but the deepest snow. With a 19 meter sidecut, they initiate turns easily, but aren't squirrelly - rock-solid at speed. They also have excellent edge-hold, and inspire confidence on steeps.
post #4 of 24
Head i.M 88... although you might decide you no longer need the Pros after you buy them.

Was on these up at Crystal Mountain on Saturday and was impressed with them. They really do rip on the groomed as well as in chop and crud and didn't mind making short turns in the fall line when I asked them too. I didn't find them particularly demanding to ski on either, just solid performance.

Still, I'm not sure I didn't prefer the Dynastar Legend 8800s more but it could be that I like a light and lively ski a bit more than the dampness of the Heads.
post #5 of 24
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At 94 mm underfoot, wouldn't you consider the Mantra's an all-out powder ski? I usually think of anything over 90 as a strictly deep-snow ski - although I've heard the Mantra's carve well for their size"


I wouldn't. Anything under 100 isn't a real powder ski.

Around here:

Sumo=powder only ski
Gotama=versatile powder ski (I know plenty of people who use them every day out here)
Mantra=daily ski if you go off piste much.
post #6 of 24
I own the 8800's and think they'd be perfect for what you describe.

That said I think the 8800 or the Mantra lead the way in this category and you'd be happy with either.
post #7 of 24
UUnnnnhhh......yeah. 90mm waist is an all around freeskiing ski, east coast or west coast. I ski a 186 im88 in the east, no problemo. You need something 100+.
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
thanks guys. I'll see what I can line up out of this in demos.


Mike
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by habacomike
I'm 48, 5'11, 225 and ski 35+ days a year, mainly off-piste. I have a pair of Volkl Pro's (love them -- best ski I've been on) and a pair of 5* (which I do not like -- too soft). Given that I live and ski primarily in CO, I'm thinking of getting something a bit wider for the incredible snow we have at the moment.

A bit more about my skiing -- I'd say I'm a level 9 skier. I did Steep and Deep at JH last year, and take advantage of the Copper ski lesson deal (lessons on each and every Sunday for $200). I'm still adjusting to off-piste skiing, but it probably accounts for 70% of my skiing -- including a few glades, chutes, and steeps. We'll be returning to JH this winter.

So, what would you guys recommend as a compliment to my Pro's? I don't want something that is more or less what I've got, and I don't think that a full-on powder ski makes sense in CO (how many days do you get to ski bottomless pow here)? So, I've been eyeing the Mantra's, but really am unsure what else to try.

Thanks for the help
Mike
There is no doubt in my mind that you would absolutely love the Mantras and they would be a great match for what you want to do with them in Colorado.
post #10 of 24
Why not something like K2 Seth Vicious or Rossi Scratch BC, both 98mm?
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post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by MTT
Interesting - dimensions look right. They're undoubtedly good. The graphics, though; a bit sketch!
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato
Interesting - dimensions look right. They're undoubtedly good. The graphics, though; a bit sketch!
I have now skied with 3 differnt people who are on them, No one is complaining.
I take delivery on the softs next week.
post #14 of 24
There are a great many wide skis that work very well, and some good ones have already been mentioned. My own very personal preference tends toward models with relatively less sidecut rather than more.

Others to consider:

Atomic Sugar Daddy
4Frnt VCT or MSP
Fischer Atua
Rossi B4

SJ
post #15 of 24

Metron

I am surprised know one has suggested the Atomic B5's or M11. I was a volkl guy for many years and made the switch to the B5's last year and glad I did. Anyway have fun!!
post #16 of 24
Legend 8800

I am really happy with mine in all conditions so far. Really a "All Mountain" ski.
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post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by Taxman
Now thats the $hit !
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Taxman

given that the "the wider the better" trend here continues for another few years, these will be the skis that some bears will claim to be the real thing.
post #20 of 24
That looks like hardpack he's standing on.

I'm guessing that knife-like trenches were NOT subsequently arced in the snow.
post #21 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
I have now skied with 3 differnt people who are on them, No one is complaining.
I take delivery on the softs next week.
Finally getting some eh?
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by skier_j
Finally getting some eh?
Yep. Got them tuesday, took them strait to the shop to have Freerides mounted. they also have to be shaped. I got the softs. I'll let you know what I think after I put some days on them.
post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 
ok, I rented a pair of 184 Mantra's and skied them yesterday at Copper in my lesson. In the morning, we mainly skied some groomed (rip carving) and a few bumps. The ski, somewhat surprisingly to me, felt pretty soft -- I could easily overpower the tips. But once I dialed into its flex, I found it to be a pretty good ski -- and it worked fine in the bumps as well.

Then we hit the chutes in Spaulding Bowl. Conditions were soft windblown snow, untracked, and around 38 degrees of pitch. What a ski! I've never had such flotation, and after a few laps through So Fine, the ski was handling the crud easily.

So, my impression is that this would be a good compliment to my Vokl Pro's. I would reserve the Mantra for powder days and skiing relatively untracked off-piste conditions -- what I was considering the ski for originally. But for front-side work, I still prefer a stiffer ski, and the Pro's fit that bill. I was also concerned that 184 would be too much ski for me -- but that was not the case. I think the softness in the ski leads you to go longer.

Now I've got to wait until the prices drop on the Mantra, or find somebody who wants less than $625 for a flat ski.

Thanks,
Mike
post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
Well, I paid up. My buddy called me last night and told me that they had had 12" of snow in Frisco, and it was still coming down. I immediately made plans to play hooky and called to rent the Mantras, but (can you believe it) they were out! So, only one thing to do -- pull out the plastic, and beg to get them mounted in the 45 minutes the shop was still open.

When I arrived this morning at Copper, there was only a few inches of fresh. Did I mind? Nope, we found lots of windblown and some relatively untracked in Enchanted Forest, Spaulding, Reso, and on Union Peak. The best run was definately directed skiing through Upper Enchanted Forest, where we had some 12-18" untracked (and a few covered rocks). I love these skis!

But they are not going to replace my Pro's -- I think these are great skis in the deeper crud and untracked, but my Pro's are more versatile in shallow crud and groomed.

I guess I'm now a gear whore -- or perhaps you could say I no longer have any excuses!

Thanks for all the help,
Mike
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