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Best Ski Patrol Skis got Mt. Hood???

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
hello alls,
I have been reading through the site and it seems that you are all pretty helpful and knowledged people. Well here's my story... I used to ski back before boarding was around. I've now been boarding for well over 7 years. I ride Mt. Hood, Oregon and am going to be starting my Patrol Apprenticeship this season. I will pry start out on my board but I really wanna get a pair of planks so that I can do both. And just to be able to change out for which ever type of riding I'm feeling.

I'm looking to start out the cheap with with some used skis. So I'm looking for the best skis for Patroling. Shall I go with the fats or longs (like we used to). I'm a pretty big guy at 6'-3" & 220lbs.

Any & ALL help is greatly appreciated.

Thanx ya'lls
DoJe'
post #2 of 24
Dont' go too long ... something 185 in a GS sidecut should do you fine for Hood. Try to get something descently wide under foot for when you patrollers are getting first track before you open an area, but not so wide that you're out of controll on the groomers/hardpack/ice. I'd say 78-85 mm under foot would be nice. Like maybe a K2 Apache Recon, Dynastar Legend 8000, or Volkl AC4. Or something similar in previous years models.
post #3 of 24
On the cheap you might find a pair of Atomic 11.20's or R11's in 180/190cm , these will cover a wide range of snow types and terrain.
I'm 225lbs and find both great all round skis in 190cm.
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
awesome thats a great help. I'll keep all those in mind.

What do you think about this ski/binding package deal just as something to start with.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8729809193&rd=1&sspage name=STRK%3AMEWA%3APIC&rd=1

they're not that wide of skis though....

I do have a big foot also, size 14.

Others - Please continue to post any other info that would help me out here. the more info the better.

Thanx again, in advance, to everyone,
DoJe
post #5 of 24
There is a brand new pair of k2 axis xp(sim to recon) 181 on ebay now perfect ebayer...

unfortunately ending in 5 hours.....

those will be golden for what you want....

At your height and weight you wouldn't want to consider any wasp waisted ski's esp for mt hood, good for me here in hardpack land....not so good for you....I would think 75 waist and 180 length the min you would consider.....many expert WA-OR skiers patrol these forums...capt strato, mbs and many more....I jumped in only cause I saw the xp new and thought it a perfect fit....
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
once again. absolutely awesome thanks again for your help please keep the info coming..

what about these (depending on what they end up at)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Atomic-R11-Skis-...QQcmdZViewItem

-Jose
post #7 of 24

odyssey skis????

they're inexpensive and they are Damn Fine Skis.

http://www.odysseyskis.com/


that's them in the middle. pretty much my everyday ski. 112-81-104 in a 177. (only choice is 177.) that may seem short but check the "custom flex" offering.

http://www.odysseyskis.com/Custom-flex.htm

dead serious: these are excellent skis. (no longer white; your choice is red and...red.)

they shine in pow, slush, crud, heavy gunk.

note the PNW testimonies.

good luck.

post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
damn man you guys are great help. I've gotten more info from you guys within an hour than I have researching the net solo-style for about 2 days.

SO do you think that these skis are too narrow. they're twin tip trix i think..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:11 2&item=8731010279

and/or do you think it could be a good deal


-DoJe
post #9 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan
they're inexpensive and they are Damn Fine Skis.

http://www.odysseyskis.com/


that's them in the middle. pretty much my everyday ski. 112-81-104 in a 177. (only choice is 177.) that may seem short but check the "custom flex" offering.

http://www.odysseyskis.com/Custom-flex.htm

dead serious: these are excellent skis. (no longer white; your choice is red and...red.)
so would you guys think that the 177 is too small for someone of my size. 6'-3" 220LBS.???

because after looking through their site they seem like a sweet deal. plus I could just drive up there and pick them up.
post #10 of 24
I patrol on my Explosives, and as soon as they are mounted I will be on my Bro Models. You need something with a hearty base and edge.
post #11 of 24
Thread Starter 
hey guys do these seem like a sweet deal (once again if they go for this price)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Volkl-Carver-XT-...cmdZ ViewItem
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
do you guys think that going with something cheaper would be a good idea. as in something a few years back

http://cgi.ebay.com/Volkl-skis_W0QQi...cm dZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Volkl-P50-GS-Ski...c mdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Volkl-Carver-XT-...cmdZ ViewItem

and what do you guys think about the Atomic C:9-18 Beta Carve skis (190 cm) this link is a guy whos got a complete package (which would be nice to get)

http://portland.craigslist.org/spo/116183364.html

sorry for the constant questions. I'm just looking to get your guys' best advice before i purchase.

Thanx again,
DoJe
post #13 of 24
remember to use the SEARCH feature to see if some of the skis about which you're asking have been reviewed.
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 
and so just as another general question. skis that are wide at top & bottom but have a skinny waist are most racing skis?? is that correct. cause these skis look wide top & bottom but not waist

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...keTra ck=true
post #15 of 24
When I patrolled I wanted a no brainer type ski. In other words. A good all mountain ski that didn't require a whole of thinking to ski.

What worked well for me was the Rossignol B2 or years ago it was the BanditX series. Reason being, it is a very forgiving, damp ski that has a huge sweet spot making it easy to just cruise around without getting technical about skiing it. Which is nice when you Patrol.

I've seen a bunch of them on Ebay lately and reasonable also. I ski on a 176 which would be a good length for you.

The other suggestions above are ok but expensive and require more effort and technique to ski. That's not a bad thing but when you have to control a sled with a body in it it's not fun or easy.

JMHO
post #16 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan
they're inexpensive and they are Damn Fine Skis.

http://www.odysseyskis.com/


that's them in the middle. pretty much my everyday ski. 112-81-104 in a 177. (only choice is 177.) that may seem short but check the "custom flex" offering.

http://www.odysseyskis.com/Custom-flex.htm

dead serious: these are excellent skis. (no longer white; your choice is red and...red.)

they shine in pow, slush, crud, heavy gunk.
Nice Ryan $169 for a custom rig??? With nearly identical dims as Recon/ XP?

That is just sick!
____________________________________________

DoJe,
best bet for dealing with bears by the way? Just a friendly tip....tell the bears what you need and what you want(you did a good job of that BTW) and then sit back and watch em suggest....then hunt ebay...popping up auctions of 10 yr old /old school skis (volkl carver xt for example)and asking opinions, nah....just sit back and let the suggestions come in....

You will get what you want here....promise let the thread run a couple days

the ebay route just a couple of my suggestions for the cheaper used ski hunt?

-K2 XP or XT 181
-Volkl ax3 or ax4 or g3 or g4 184

I would seriously find out more about Ryan's advice above too. Lars knows just a thing or 2 about patrolling, I would consider his B2 advice....

Likely Harkinbanks and other veteran patrollers will chime in too....just chill and let the thread run...

Welcome by the way!

as always let us know how you make out...

Out
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 
Great. Thanx for that advice. Plus it will allow me to get more work done. hehehe rather than watching every ebay post I can just check for the "better" skis.

Damn guys & gals, I must say. I am very impressed with this site after only a day. You guys seem to be a tight bunch and you surely know what you're talking about.

As you mentioned, I'll allow this post to go for a bit and then run my searches from that. I'll than use this site for gear reviews and what nots to help better my choice.

Once again, please feel free to keep posting onto this topic. its all a great help.

Thanx again to ya'lls & I hope to be hearing from all you kats soon,
DoJe

PS I'm sure this is not that place for this but any of you kats riding Mt. Hood Meadows this season. If you're interested in meeting up we go up every weekend, every other Monday, and occasional weekday nights (or days if we are, huh huh, feeling sick here at work. hehehe). If anyone wants to meet up just halla.


YOU GUYS ROCK
post #18 of 24
Look for a 180 Explosiv, or a 188 G4/AX4 for NOS (new old stock). Both skis are built like a tank and withstand the abuse. New skis - a 184 Mantra.

Look around and see what the other patrollers are using who have the same skiing style as you.

You will need two pair - a pair of early season rock skis and your good skis. So, a quiver it is.

Don't put cheap bindings on either one.

HB
post #19 of 24
As an Ex patroller I will offer you this advice.

Do not buy expensive skis. they get hatched quick, they get skied alot, you have to go where the accident is not where it's good to ski, jamming them into the snow to create a warning marker is hard on the tails, you are constantly in and out of them, tossing them to the side to attend accident/victim.

Buy a ski thats easy on you. Patrolling is not like freeskiing. You are working. 8 hours of patrolling is like 14 hours of skiing. light, forgiving, softer flex etc...

Buy a shorter length you will thank me when you start trudging of having to x country, or manouver through bushy crap, crud, pow, sticks, dirt, gravel etc. Plus Patrollers are often hill maintenance staff and hence you are going to get up close and personal with snow fence, hazard markers, tower pads, etc..

Hit up the other patrollers for their unused boards. they often have many pairs and often they are in okay shape if they are gear heads. Usually patrols have deals somewhere at considerable discounts.
post #20 of 24
Doje - I'm about your size - tho heavier at 245#. I'm on Dynastar L8000 183cm, when the snow is nice here in VT. The Bears liked 'em, and I think they are, as we say here, pissah. My street shoe is 14 or 15 depending on (country of) manufacture- I'm in a sz 13 Solly xwave 10 no problem, ski all day. Shell sizing is key. Good Luck!
post #21 of 24
DoJe, I think it would be hard to beat a Volkl Explosiv for a used ski at Mt Hood. It will give you the float and off-piste capability, and should be really good at utility work with the sleds too. Be careful you don't show up with some old narrow waisted ski, your reputation could take a beating. Mtlion posts here and on TGR, and would be a good person to send a personal message or email at daveandb@telusplanet.net . He usually has access to good used equipment including wide skis, very fair prices.

Heard through the grapevine that a pair of 180 Explosive (old colors) can be had here for $200:
Carl's Ski 970-949-4354. That would be Colorado.
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
thanx for the advice Cirque

I contact Dave and he does seem to have some great deals. So now I have another question for narrowing down my selection.

Some of the great deals that Dave has are these skis:

180 Snow Rangers

180 Volant Chubbs
180 K2 Enemies

Would you guys agree that all of these would be good skis for Patrolling Mt. Hood? & if so, which do you think would be best for patrolling.

Thanx ya'lls for all the great help. You greatly help my research process.

-DoJe
post #23 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan
they're inexpensive and they are Damn Fine Skis.

http://www.odysseyskis.com/
Wow, those are cheap. I'd be tempted to buy a set just to have a clean slate upon which to apply ski stickers!!

post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
ok alls. Hopefully everyone had a good weekend of riding. SO I have a few more questions for patrollers (well anyone for that matter).
Would you guys think that Chubbs would be good patrolling skis. Or do you think that the Chubbs are mainly powder skis and that I should look into a mid-fat.

Just to let you know where I stand now after the weekend. I had a sweet deal lined up with Dave for the Chubbs (and thats kinda why I wanna know if these would be good patrollers). I then went to a swap this weekend and found a pretty sweet deal on some brand new gear.

Heres the setup that I got this weekend. I'm saying this looking for all sorts of comments & criticisms:
184 Rossignol RPM 17 & I can't remember which bindings that are but they seem really nice & mounted on the X-Pulsion risers (which I think or Rossys).

Here's there specs:
ROSSIGNOL - RPM 17 ALL ROAD SKIS
RPM 17 - Powerful and fast on trail, high gripping on hardpack, powerful on all kinds of snow. These skis are slightly easier to use than the RPM 21 and have a tighter turn radius. They have a twin tip profile and are designed as a skier cross type all action ski for advanced skiers. They are narrower under foot than the RPM 21 making them rapid edge to edge turners and are a whole lot of fun to ski on.
X-Pulsion shock absorbing interface for precise steering.
V-Flex torsion construction ensures minimal twist distortion and creates easier edge control at speed.
Integral Dualtec construction also ensures ski strength and edge control.
Free VAS (Vibration Absorbing System) reduces harmful vibrations throughout length of ski.
T2 Concept (17 mm tail rise, for skiing fakie).
Sidecut 107 - 70 - 97.

So my questions are these:
Do you guys think I F*ed by getting these not so wide skis?
Should I waited for the wider pair?
I have a question about the bindings? They're on risers. If I were to get a wide pair of skis to add to my quiver would I be able to maybe find this same riser and then easily switch the bindings from each pair of skis? Do you guys do that? or do you guys all just get several pairs of bindings.

Thanx again ya'lls for your help,
DoJe
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