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post #31 of 46

B5 input

Hi,
Last season I logged over 100 on Metron B5's, and perhaps I can offer you some perspective.
The B5 on properly skilled "feet", will crush just about anything in their way,,will hang nice enough on the very slick,[read east coast], are extreemly sweet in ugly snow[s], and will please in powder for a non-specific to powder , ski.
They respond to contemporary technique, and will allow skilled classical techiques to a degree , for the fun of it. So ,,they reward those who know what, how and when, and I'll let you finish the sentence.
Because of their width underfoot, you must be pro-active into a turn so as to dial up appropriate edge angles' as with most "plus" sized skis.
There is no substitute for a demo, and I encourage you to go to a demo site and "rent" for a full, preferably 2 days. Make sure you ski it short enough. Using their tables, if you are near the "figure", go short. A two day demo would allow for that kind of adjustment.
If you are on frontside consistantly hard surfaces, look at the SX and Lt series as they are narrower underfoot and somewhat more "forgiving and accomodating" for that environment, but will not perform quite as well in mixed conditions.
Like anything else, you make the adjustment [possessing the skills] when used outside of their design criteria.
The B5 is a very high quality product, [out] performs to expectation, and will go the distance barring incident. They are worth all the money as long as you are not over buying. Be honest with youself, and choose wisely.
Have fun, and don't take it too seriously,,it's only skiing!
post #32 of 46
snodancer, well-said... and Welcome to EpicSki!
post #33 of 46
I must agree - welcome to Epic Snodancer, that was a phenomenally good post. I look forward to your insights as the season progresses.
post #34 of 46
Sundancer..I agree with everything..but that last line..thems fighting words!!!!!:
post #35 of 46
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Sundancer.
You feeling dyslexic today?

post #36 of 46
Why has no one metioned the Metron M-EX yet? He is coming from a a sugar daddy a ski with very little sidecut. The M-eXs have enough edge hold that I am going to buy a set here is ICey Pa, out there I doubt your hardpack gets that hardpack at all.

162cm B5 - strengths over the EXs, better in bumps, better in tighter trees, tighter turn radius, quicker edge to edge, really one of the best skis out there.

175cm M-Ex - much better at higher speed than the B5s, doesnt fell "catchy" or "squirelly" better in soft/crud/slushly snow, stablity of a frieght train, still holds on ice and very quick edge to edge to for the waist size.
post #37 of 46
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
Why has no one metioned the Metron M-EX yet? He is coming from a a sugar daddy a ski with very little sidecut. The M-eXs have enough edge hold that I am going to buy a set here is ICey Pa, out there I doubt your hardpack gets that hardpack at all.

162cm B5 - strengths over the EXs, better in bumps, better in tighter trees, tighter turn radius, quicker edge to edge, really one of the best skis out there.

175cm M-Ex - much better at higher speed than the B5s, doesnt fell "catchy" or "squirelly" better in soft/crud/slushly snow, stablity of a frieght train, still holds on ice and very quick edge to edge to for the waist size.
I'm not coming from a sugar daddy, I'm supplimenting the sugar daddys. I think the EX is too much of a powder ski - overlaps with the sugar too much - no?
post #38 of 46
Thread Starter 
That's great information guys, thanks a lot!
post #39 of 46
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
11's and B5 ARE the same dimensions. both last year were 129/76/115 and both are 131/76/115, they are just using a different measuring point (on the tip) this year.
I'm not playing "smarty pants" on this, because there are certailnly smarter people than I am on this topic, but....
When I was shopping (just a month ago) I had the Regional Rep for Atomic give me a book with all the specs on all 2005-06 atomic.
I don't have the book in my possession now(loanded it to a friend) but I think I read different dimensions when they made the transition from 152cm to 162 cm in the M-11, however the dimensions didn't change in the B5.

When I get my book back, I'll look again.
post #40 of 46
The Atomic catalog is available on the web site. Dang thing is buried in Flash, however, so I can't post a link. :

I just checked it, again. They are identical in all dimensions in all sizes:

152: 128/76/112
162: 131/76/115
172: 133/76/116
post #41 of 46
From an Atomic ad:

The Metron guarantee:
If for any reason you're not happy with your Atomic Metron purchase after skiing them for three days, just bring them back to your Atomic dealer. We'll exchange them for another Atomic ski model of equal purchase value. No questions. No hasles. *

*Consumer responsible for any binding transfer expense incurred. Guarantee in effect through February 15, 2006
post #42 of 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
The Atomic catalog is available on the web site. Dang thing is buried in Flash, however, so I can't post a link. :

I just checked it, again. They are identical in all dimensions in all sizes:

152: 128/76/112
162: 131/76/115
172: 133/76/116
Yep! You're right! I must have had a blonde moment:
Sorry, don't know how or why I missed the numbers, but I did!
post #43 of 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalvaryMike
From an Atomic ad:

The Metron guarantee:
If for any reason you're not happy with your Atomic Metron purchase after skiing them for three days, just bring them back to your Atomic dealer. We'll exchange them for another Atomic ski model of equal purchase value. No questions. No hasles. *

*Consumer responsible for any binding transfer expense incurred. Guarantee in effect through February 15, 2006
I took advantage of this last year when I got my Metrons.
post #44 of 46
Thread Starter 
I had a chance to demo a bunch of skis today. The conditions were the suck. Very hard pack, ice. So, unfortunately, I don't know how my experience would translate into a wider specturm of conditions.

From reviews and comments here, I was most interested in trying the Metron B5. Wow, what a ski. I said earlier that I ski very conservatively on hard pack with my Axis Xs. The B5s ate it up. I was doing hand-touching GS turns with much higher edge angles than I'd even think about with the K2s. It was just spooky. Once you get that edge in, it just rocks.

The other ski I really liked was the Rossi Zenith Z9. The short radius carved turns on those just made me kind of laugh, they felt so good. As long as I got the tip in, they held very well on the hard pack. Very springy back end. They also did well in GS turns, although they did not feel as rock sold at speed as the B5s; and I couldn't make the B5s do silly-smooth tight turns.

The Z9s seem pretty unforgiving, if you don't get on edge well balanced at the start of the turn, they flop around like wounded seals. There isn't really that feeling of "Oh, I screwed up the carve, well I'll just slide the back to get on edge..." The B5 seemed easier to deal with in that regard, in that if you start the turn a little far back you still have a lot of beefy edge left.

I also tried some Nordica and Salamon skis. The Z9s and B5s are the only two that made me really want new skis. Soon. I really wish the conditions had been a little more varied.
post #45 of 46
Chris, sorry that the conditions weren't varied enough, but you've got a good start...

Interesting how you felt about the Z9. I felt it was far more forgiving than the b5. I also felt it was less dramatic in virtually every condition--typical of Rossis in my experience.

You do need to stay balanced on the b5s to get the most out of them.
post #46 of 46
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
Chris, sorry that the conditions weren't varied enough, but you've got a good start...

Interesting how you felt about the Z9. I felt it was far more forgiving than the b5. I also felt it was less dramatic in virtually every condition--typical of Rossis in my experience.

You do need to stay balanced on the b5s to get the most out of them.
Yeah, I know that's what I'm supposed to think (re forgiveness). Maybe it was just that short radius carved turns on the Z9s felt so good that missing them felt so bad? I don't know, I just didn't feel like the B5s got squirrely if you slipped back on them a little.

Of course, I only had 3 runs on each, so .. *shrug*

I also skiied the M:11 (and M:10). It wasn't bad, but not particularly outstanding. The M:10 was no good for me at all.

Did I mention it was 13 degrees and windy on Crystal today? :
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