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post #31 of 45
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Originally Posted by sywsyw
What were you trying to say? :
I was wondering the same thing. What do you mean by this?

Can you compare the two boots in terms of fit, flex (ZC vs soft), and perceived performance? Also give your foot shape so that the fit impressions have some relevance.
post #32 of 45

Nordica Hot Rod vs. Hot Rod "Top Fuel" Boots

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Originally Posted by highpeaksdrifter View Post
That's a great question. I rep for Nordica and at our annual meeting for NE reps I asked the same question. I was told that they had the same concern and it is way they changed the flex from 130 last year to 115 this year. It was a late change, so late that even in this years manual the flex for the Hot Rod is listed at 130.
I think I finally understand what's going on... I set out last month (Oct.'06) to pick up a pair of '05/'06 Hot Rods at a pre-season clearance sale (~$400), my expectation being a boot with a 115 flex index. Tried them on, seeming reasonably stiff in the way I've been accustomed, but I was paying greater attention to to the fit, which was good more-or-less right out of the box for my narrow foot after adding an aftermarket COTS footbed (~$30). Bought them, took them home, and set them aside for the upcoming season. Then, I came across this thread and immediately pulled out my boots and discovered to my surprise the decal denoting a flex index of 130 : !

I'm a fairly fast, aggressive skier most the time, but being on the slight side 5'11" 160 lbs., and seeing some of the discussion here, I became concerned that a 115 flex may suit me better especially when I want to go into the bumps and crud (i.e. 130 => fast carver boot, 115 => all mountain boot). So I called the shop and inquired... and to my relief they had a 115 flex pair in my size available to do a swap. So I went out to do it, and the best part about when I got there was, I had a 130 flex boot on one foot, and a 115 flex boot on the other! And to be honest, it was very difficult to discern any difference between the two. Indeed the 130 I thought felt softer, perhaps attributable to the boot being warmer from sitting in my car all day, the 115 sitting in the shop. Anyway, I went ahead with the swap, getting the 115's as much for psychological reasons as for the cooler looking buckle detailing - the only discernable difference other than the flex index decal.

One other thing: the 130 flex boots were noted "Hot Rod" on the box, whereas the 115 flex boots were noted as "Hot Rod Top Fuel" on their box. Of course for the '06/'07 season they now have the "Hot Rod Nitrous" with a flex of 100...

So there you have it.
post #33 of 45
The flex index numbers are made up. They had a Hot Rod with a 130 flex last year. This year the same boot has a 115 flex. Why would Nordica offer the Pro 130 and a Hot Rod 130? That probably didn't make sense so they changed the flex indexes.
Flex indexes: Dobermann Pro - 130
Hot Rod Top Fuel - 115
Dobermann Pro - 110
Hot Rod Nitrous - 100 (men's model)
Dobermann Pro - 100 (women's/jr. model)



I hope you downsized. The boot runs big!

Jamie
post #34 of 45

top fuel

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Originally Posted by eckypting View Post
I think I finally understand what's going on... I set out last month (Oct.'06) to pick up a pair of '05/'06 Hot Rods at a pre-season clearance sale (~$400), my expectation being a boot with a 115 flex index. Tried them on, seeming reasonably stiff in the way I've been accustomed, but I was paying greater attention to to the fit, which was good more-or-less right out of the box for my narrow foot after adding an aftermarket COTS footbed (~$30). Bought them, took them home, and set them aside for the upcoming season. Then, I came across this thread and immediately pulled out my boots and discovered to my surprise the decal denoting a flex index of 130 : !

I'm a fairly fast, aggressive skier most the time, but being on the slight side 5'11" 160 lbs., and seeing some of the discussion here, I became concerned that a 115 flex may suit me better especially when I want to go into the bumps and crud (i.e. 130 => fast carver boot, 115 => all mountain boot). So I called the shop and inquired... and to my relief they had a 115 flex pair in my size available to do a swap. So I went out to do it, and the best part about when I got there was, I had a 130 flex boot on one foot, and a 115 flex boot on the other! And to be honest, it was very difficult to discern any difference between the two. Indeed the 130 I thought felt softer, perhaps attributable to the boot being warmer from sitting in my car all day, the 115 sitting in the shop. Anyway, I went ahead with the swap, getting the 115's as much for psychological reasons as for the cooler looking buckle detailing - the only discernable difference other than the flex index decal.

One other thing: the 130 flex boots were noted "Hot Rod" on the box, whereas the 115 flex boots were noted as "Hot Rod Top Fuel" on their box. Of course for the '06/'07 season they now have the "Hot Rod Nitrous" with a flex of 100...

So there you have it.
Congrats: you got the 2007 if it says Hot Rod Top Fuel instead of just Hot Rod.

I was told that the flex is the flex, just different labeling 130 v 115, etc. The flex # is just a reference, not an absolute.
Last year they changed the reference# to 115 from 130 beacause the felt it was slightly softer than the Dobie 130 due to the type of plastic in the shell.

If it feels good it is good, don't get hung w/ the #'s.
post #35 of 45
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Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
I hope you downsized. The boot runs big!
Runs big? I had to get my 130 ground and stretched!
post #36 of 45
You probably have a wider foot. My foot is 271mm long (size 10 according to this chart) and 100mm wide (D width according to the same chart).
My Top Fuel is a UK5. It is a race fit but fits soo well that it feels like a second skin. I use the Tecnica lace-up liner in the boot because it is unbearable with the stock liner (which is relatively thin).

If my foot was wider (E or EE) i would get the UK6.

For those with a D width foot (and narrower) it is easier to downsize.
post #37 of 45
@ sywsyw.

Wait, you got 271mm long feet and you took a Mondo 24.5 boot? That's a jolly painfull downgrade IMO. I have a 274mm foot and I once raced in a 25.5 snowboard shell. After 2 weeks into the season my toenails would come off. I had a special innerboot by my bootfitter with no toe section and nearly no material in the heel plus punched out to get down to the 25.5 shell. I never ever consider taking lower than 26.5 now.
post #38 of 45
Yes i got a UK 5 shell. I could have gotten the UK 6 but the 5 is soo much better. IMO the problem is far more complex than getting the boot one or two sizes smaller than the street shoe. With semi-plugs and full plugs you have to downsize more than you would with a production boot. IMO they do not work well at all if you have more than 1 finger behind the heel (shell fit). You need to know a few more things and all will be well.

Jamie
post #39 of 45
Well in my Fischers at 26.5 (outside marked 297mm) I got a one Finger Fitting (I would consider the Soma Race 9000 as semi-plug like the Dobie 130). In my snowboard boots at 25.5 I had a touch both sides fit. After punching we got it to a 1/2 finger fit. Every season I lost my toenails. (this was a marked 275mm shell at the outside, for my 274mm foot, however the heel goes further back than at skiboots). What mm size is marked on the Outside of the Dobie 130 at 24.5??
post #40 of 45
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Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
You probably have a wider foot. ...For those with a D width foot (and narrower) it is easier to downsize.
With regards to downsizing, I guess it depends on what that means. FWIW, I'm a 10-10.5 US foot with a B/C width. I ski the 27 shell and I needed boot work to get it there.
post #41 of 45
extremecarver, the sole length of my Top Fuels is 285mm

Max, if the boot is the correct size you will ski your best. Btw, what boot do you have?
post #42 of 45

hot rod vs dobie pro

the last is the same but the plastic is different (even if the flex numbers are close)and flexes differently.at least that is the word i got from nordica when i was looking at the hot-rod
post #43 of 45
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extremecarver, the sole length of my Top Fuels is 285mm

Max, if the boot is the correct size you will ski your best. Btw, what boot do you have?
From this season onwards I'll be in a 26.5 Fischer Worldcup Soma Race 9000. (297mm outside marked, my feet are aprox 275mm). They already needed a bit of fitting to get my feet in, mainly not wide enough.
On a snowboard I'm in a Raichle AF600 26.5 - they make 285mm printed length, but as the heel sticks out - before I had a Northwave .950 in 25.5 which was painful but a great boot.
post #44 of 45
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Originally Posted by extremecarver View Post
From this season onwards I'll be in a 26.5 Fischer Worldcup Soma Race 9000. (297mm outside marked, my feet are aprox 275mm). They already needed a bit of fitting to get my feet in, mainly not wide enough.
On a snowboard I'm in a Raichle AF600 26.5 - they make 285mm printed length, but as the heel sticks out - before I had a Northwave .950 in 25.5 which was painful but a great boot.
Is that the full plug or a semi-plug? I am not familiar with the Fischers.

In the end what matters is how the boot fits your feet. It really doesn't matter if it is only 1 size smaller than your street shoe or 4 sizes smaller. If the boot is the correct size you will ski your best. For my 271mm long foot a boot with a 284-289mm sole length is the best. It doesn't mean that it will work for you. It is only a recommendation. With wider feet it is probably better to upsize because there may not be enough plastic to work with.
post #45 of 45
It did appear on the Fischer website and the recommended ski was the Fischer Worldcup SL (race-dept) and SC (consumer), but I would consider it semi-plug both from construction (very thick plastic, very stiff, Fischer Flex rating 130) as from the fact that it is virtually not sold in normal shops around here in Austria. the plug was the worldcup soma pro 9000 - which was however AFAIK made in the same form but even thicker shell and some small modifications as well as a different liner
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