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post #31 of 40
Originally Posted by disski
I was told by someone that there is a theory that all the putting of "good supportive shoes" on babies learning to walk was messing them up balance wise.... they need to be able to feel those baby feet when they are training their brains to use them...
That makes so much sense.
post #32 of 40
Doesn't it now....

They told me it is why we have so many more sprained ankles etc... we are losing the ability to use our feet as we bind the poor things up so much at that young age..... Seems shoes are for protection in areas that need it until you learn how to walk properly...
post #33 of 40
Hmmmm,,,, That reminds me,,,,, Bode grew up in a shack with no indoor plumbing, etc. I wonder if they had money for shoes?
post #34 of 40
post #35 of 40
About the shoes thing:

Wouldn't having something on your feet from a young age actually make the child more used to balancing with something on their feet? I only ask because for medical reasons I spent a good portion of my infancy wearing special shoes (and other parafanalia) and doing leg exercises. Since I elarned to walk I have always had amazing balance on anything that requires your feet to be in any sort of special "shoe." Meaning in-line skating, ice skating (started when I was two or something - don't even remember it), and now skiing. It is possible that it is just coincidence.


post #36 of 40
Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
ice skating (started when I was two or something - don't even remember it),
Greg, that could be part of your answer right there. Your were developing balance motor skills highly applicable to skiing at a crucial period in your life. I've found the skills developed in skating to transfer very well to skiing. I had a highly skilled hockey player switch over to skiing and with in a few years he was our strongest racer. As a matter of fact, he was consistently kicking A.J. Kitts butt. Joel (you know who I mean, Greg) wasn't even in the same league.

Back to the foot. It's the center of our balance system. The foot is designed with structural trusses that tension when pressure is applied, thus creating a very stable balance platform. I see some folks, especially racers, cramming their feet into boots 2 sizes too small, and footbeds with too much arch, leaving the foot no room to compress, expand, and tension, as it must do to function as it's designed. It's crazy. They're trying to balance on virtual stubs. Might as well stick their feet in a couple ski boot shaped containers of wet concrete, and when they dry try to ski.

That's why what Disski said here makes so much sense to me.
post #37 of 40
As a matter of fact, he was consistently kicking A.J. Kitts butt.

The too small of boots makes sense. Some racers I know cram into tiny boots. I wear a 6 Dobie, but for a race type fit it is what I measure to, and nothing is really crunched. Nick (from KB), this year, is in a 4 dobie... I'm interested to see how that works out for him. It is true that the best balance comes while not wearing shoes.

Question: I have heard that having a low or nearly flat arch helps balance (not someone with the extra bone that makes them flat footed - just a low arch). Does this only matter when you are barefoot, or does it translate to skiing... or does it not help one way or the other?


post #38 of 40
Originally Posted by Si
I think that one of the foremost keys to improvement is the development of abilities to feel and perceive aspects of one's own skiing. For myself, I believe that this has been the greatest contributor to my own improvement, not just in skiing but in other sports as well.
I agree. IMO the ability to "feel" is more present in higer level skiing. I can feel when i'm having a bad day and i can feel when i ski my best. I am pretty sure a high level skier "feels" these things. A less accomplished skier would have some difficulties (all the days would look the same and the ski experience would be amazing).

It also improved my skiing.
post #39 of 40
Originally Posted by Si
I'd be interested to hear whether many instructors focus on asssiting this tuning of a skiers perceptions and if so how.
That's a very interesting subject IMO. I do think that many instructors do nothing to help people develop the "feel". This does not mean that there aren't great instructors who can help. This does not mean that they do not want to help, they just can't. I remember my first instructor. He was teaching in such a way that if you left to make some turns on your own, you would not be able to make a single turn without him.
post #40 of 40
Originally Posted by nolo
Wouldn't proprioception, as an unconscious function, be essentially untrainable?
Balance is unconscious but trainable.

As for the show theory, it would seem that learning to balance without support would make you better able to balance when you don't have support, and feel the proprioceptors on the bottoms of your feet. Learning to balance with support (i.e. a ski boot or stiff shoe) would teach you to better use the other proprioceptors to maintain your balancem such as thouse around your lower leg where the shoe/boot contacts your leg, and others that are up higher on your body.

After all, what you learn is what you'll know.

One advantage to not having support is that you'll have stronger ankles and will be able to make small adjustments to edge angle with your feet inside the boot.
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