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post #61 of 83
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Originally Posted by ondeadlin
You know, I'm not sure. Here's why: I drive a Ford Escape.

To me, it's an SUV.
Yeah its not really in SUV in that its a vehicle purpose built to keep suburbanites happy. Normal SUVs are "dumb" because they are so poorly suited to their task. It has all the things you want (available 4wd, etc.) but doesn't have silly things like a ladder frame (read: structurally inefficient waste of steel) or a live axle. Its an SUV in that it does all the things the SUV people want.

Its actually my favorite small "suv" because its good enough to tow a small car around (can't do that with a CRV) and so on, but still much better driving than a real truck or SUV. I drove one to Myrtle Beach with the family last year and I was really sad that we didn't drive the Accord instead. With 4 people and a bunch of luggage it wasn't that comfortable to drive, and the brakes/suspension were noticeably overworked in DC/Virginia traffic.

Comprex, your point is well taken. I do very much like the community policed aspect of skiing, and hope that individual responsibility and community involvement will continue to make something like liability insurance for skiers unnecessary. I just think that many of the supposed risks are vastly overstated, and I feel that many EpicSkiers seem to think that mandatory liability insurance or something insane like that is important.

To be clear, I don't think things sticking out of a helmet is appropriate. I just wonder a little bit at the aggressive and incredibly serious responses people have to such a thing.
post #62 of 83
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To be clear, I don't think things sticking out of a helmet is appropriate. I just wonder a little bit at the aggressive and incredibly serious responses people have to such a thing.
Dude, I'm with you on both points.

That's the problem with life, people can be right and still piss you off.

post #63 of 83

If you ignore it maybe it will go away

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Originally Posted by ondeadlin
As for the skiing in Michigan ... if I wasn't lucky enough to get the family all bumped off flights on last year's ski trip (so I could basically get four free round trips this year) and if I hadn't snagged a fantastic deal on a 2BR condo at Grand Timber ... well, then, Michigan would certainly be good enough for me right now.

But I'm lucky enough to be going to Breck!

(And I hope nobody's taking this all too seriously, because that's what I was trying to get away from with my original post)
Someone who is so narrow minded as to believe that SUV owners are careless doesn't have enough sense to realize that SUV's have nothing to do with safety issues on the slopes. Ignore it!

When you get back from Breck, bring the family on up to Crystal Mt., Thompsonville, MI and I(with my Jeep) will meet you with your Big Ford, and we'll share some intelligent conversation on the ski lift while we smile at the sunny day on our slopes. (6 inches of powder last night and more forcasted for tonight)

I'll bet we don't even see a kid with spikes in his helmet.
post #64 of 83
I just might take you up on that, Trek!

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post #66 of 83
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Originally Posted by Mom
Nice catch!

Wow.

My 2, anyone with that should be thrown off the mountain.
post #67 of 83
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Originally Posted by trekchick
H2's & H3's are fashion statements. I could elaborate but why start another fire under someone's butt......

Besides your skis and bikes (which I totally understand wanting inside, as I keep mine inside my Jeep), would you be scared to haul some lumber in the back of your truck? (if lumber would fit, most newer trucks can't accomodate a sheet of plywood)

I actually know people who own big trucks (cost big money) and refuse to put a piece of lumber in the back because it might get scratched. IT'S A TRUCK!
I like this gal.
post #68 of 83
As someone with a TJ Jeep, I can pretty much categorically state that they are the most useless vehicle you could possibly buy.

Sure are fun though.
post #69 of 83
What kind of moron buys a big, expensive pickup and doesn't spring for the friggin' Rhinoliner? Scratched???
post #70 of 83
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Originally Posted by jstraw
What kind of moron buys a big, expensive pickup and doesn't spring for the friggin' Rhinoliner? Scratched???
I give up!
Why?
post #71 of 83
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Originally Posted by jstraw
What kind of moron buys a big, expensive pickup and doesn't spring for the friggin' Rhinoliner? Scratched???
I never understood pickups w/o bed liners either. If you actually use the bed for what it was meant for and didn't have a liner, it'll be growing rust in a week. The of course, there's the NASCAR Craftsman Truck series.:
post #72 of 83
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Originally Posted by james
For me, I really need to look to my own spiritual well being after I have notified the proper authorities at the resort. I find prayer helps keep me centered,.....Oh please Lord, strike them down......something along those lines usually helps..
You go to Pat Robertson's church, right?
post #73 of 83
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Originally Posted by JohnH
I never understood pickups w/o bed liners either. If you actually use the bed for what it was meant for and didn't have a liner, it'll be growing rust in a week. The of course, there's the NASCAR Craftsman Truck series.:
The family's '76 GMC Sierra can attest to that. Its on its third bed and second set of welded in floorpans. This bed is starting to go too. No bedliner.

Of course, it isn't exactly "pretty" or "expensive" anyways, its just darned useful.
post #74 of 83
skiingman, maybe it's time for a bed liner when you get another bed...or at least cut out a sheet of plywood to fit. Not that bed liners last either. I'm on my 3rd liner in a '97 Dodge Ram, but, up untill recently, I really abused the carrying ability on my truck. They're just cheaper to replace...my bed out of a junk yard is +/- $1200.
post #75 of 83
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Originally Posted by hercules
skiingman, maybe it's time for a bed liner when you get another bed...or at least cut out a sheet of plywood to fit. Not that bed liners last either. I'm on my 3rd liner in a '97 Dodge Ram, but, up untill recently, I really abused the carrying ability on my truck. They're just cheaper to replace...my bed out of a junk yard is +/- $1200.
First of all, we are waaaay off the original post, but I have some input on this...
The last few trucks we've gotten for our excavating business, we had the spray on bed liner installed professionally. What a difference it made.

We used LineX, but I hear that Rhino Lining is great too!
post #76 of 83
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Originally Posted by trekchick
First of all, we are waaaay off the original post, but I have some input on this...
The last few trucks we've gotten for our excavating business, we had the spray on bed liner installed professionally. What a difference it made.

We used LineX, but I hear that Rhino Lining is great too!
Yeah, I was speaking of a spray-in liner from the get go. Drop-in liners just look good for trapping moisture to me.
post #77 of 83
I have a huge ARB bull bar (not just a grill guard, an entire new steel bumper and guard) on my Jeep Liberty. Is this too unsafe for me to use on the road with others driving around me? Sure, chances are I will never hit someone head on but there is a risk. It WILL do more damage and cause more injury than the stock bumper. Am I just as bad as the helmet kid? I'm just glad he's wearing one.
post #78 of 83
Reminds me of the idiot that ran a stopsign right in front of me with a Tahoe with a snowplow. What would have been a minor fender bender if I had t-boned his front fender ended up costing about 5 grand because his plow cut my radiator, condensor, trans cooler, destroyed radiator supports, etc.
post #79 of 83
But should I be banned from the roads like how some are saying the kid with the spikes should be not allowed to ski?
post #80 of 83
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Originally Posted by ratherbskiing
I have a huge ARB bull bar (not just a grill guard, an entire new steel bumper and guard) on my Jeep Liberty. Is this too unsafe for me to use on the road with others driving around me? Sure, chances are I will never hit someone head on but there is a risk. It WILL do more damage and cause more injury than the stock bumper. Am I just as bad as the helmet kid? I'm just glad he's wearing one.

But should I be banned from the roads like how some are saying the kid with the spikes should be not allowed to ski?
No, but to be clear, this thread is is about parental responsibility (and the serious lack thereof) - let the kid ski, but he and everyone around him is safer without it given the spikes.

An appropriate analogy would be if the kid put some spikes on his car where the 'hood ornament' used to be placed (what happened to hood ornaments you say? Yep, same same same).

The idea that your aftermarket brush bar is a solid comparison is off. Don't think for a moment that the manufacturer would offer you the 'style' spike option - or that they didn't have to submit their product for approval by the NHTSA.
post #81 of 83
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Originally Posted by ratherbskiing
But should I be banned from the roads like how some are saying the kid with the spikes should be not allowed to ski?
No, but you should realize that it isn't going to be good for you if you hit someone and they sue you. Being that you knowingly installed something that makes your vehicle demonstrably less safe.
post #82 of 83
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Originally Posted by janesdad
or that they didn't have to submit their product for approval by the NHTSA.
Actually I just about guarantee they didn't, and that somewhere on the packaging it says it isn't for public roadway use.

edit: It appears I'm wrong:

"Engineering a bull bar requires careful consideration of a number of factors to ensure it properly serves its purpose. Factors such as vehicle design, crush rate, air bag deployment, approach angles, accessory fitment, strength, weight and aesthetics are addressed in every ARB bar before it enters production."


Compare the look of the ARB bar he has to your typical huge hunks of iron and you'll see what I was talking about.

post #83 of 83
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Originally Posted by janesdad
The idea that your aftermarket brush bar is a solid comparison is off. .
I'm not all that convinced.
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