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Carving Question

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Is it possible to carve on ice? As you may well know, I ski mostly at Stowe. Im not gonna lie, there IS ICE. I can carve the Front Four (all of them), no problem. When it comes to ice, i just have to sort of, well, slide. Is this what i should be doing? Can you carve ice? Yes, or no, tips would be greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 19
Yeah, you can carve ice. Not sure the front four at Stowe is where to learn it!

Heres a thread that talks about it.... http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...ht=carving+ice
post #3 of 19
Skistar90,
It depends on the ice, for most of the hard pack, boiler plate, frozen granular, or aka a porus ice surface, yes. There are some glazes and glass type of ice that are polished and non-porus that you can't hold an edge on, even with a race tune. That is more diffucult to even scarve on, and the technique of scarving on this type of surface is not easy to explain in a thread. Stow has some very talented instructors that can help you there.

RW
post #4 of 19

Ice

If you ever get the chance to set foot on a WC racecourse then you'll know that you can carve ice. Beyond technique the type of ski and more importantly the edge bevel play a huge part.
post #5 of 19
It's very easy to carve large radius turns in the fall line on ice.
post #6 of 19
yes it is possiable, and it getting your skis on edge to slice through the ice should be the most important skill in skiing ice. Once the ski is on edge you can add steering as desired and you should literally cut though the ice.
post #7 of 19
Yes you can carve on ice. I do it every day of my life when I am training. It's easy. If I were you I would read the Carving on Ice: Equipment or Technique thread that ended last year about this time, and read the recent Carving: Perception vs Reality thread that just recently died down. Both are excellent sources of not only how to carve, but what a "carved" turn actually is.

Now, I have never skied Stowe, so forgive me for my ignorance, but I always thought that a good majority of the front 4 were completely ungroomed (never seen a groomer), bump/crud runs full of natural terrain features... I also just gave their trail map a once over, and it turns out that only one of them is even partially groomed. So now I pose the question to you: How do you carve in bumps? I can scarve bumps, and I can GS carve over top of bumps... but actually laying out respectable carves in bumps is stupid - unless you don't like the fillings in your teeth.

I think by carve you actually mean turn (god knows what kind - but a turn none-the-less). So now we have narrowed this down to you can turn on the front 4 (assuming you mean all 5 of them), but when you hit real ice elsewhere you can't set an edge into it to TURN on it. At this point I am doubtful that you are carving, so lets stick with that terminology for now.

I suggest you read those two threads. I will post the links again in this thread:

Who is Carving: Perception vs. Reality

Carving On Ice: Technique or Gear or What?

In these threads there were some very useful posts by myself and others. You will find a lot of information that you can easily apply to your skiing and carving on ice/groomers. Be mindful of what you are reading as well. Not all advice given is "good" advice if you're looking to improve upon what you are already doing or may not be doing.

Later

GREG
post #8 of 19
This might turn out good too - keep an eye on it.
Up-Hill Ski Questions/Help Needed

Later

GREG
post #9 of 19
Actually skistarr90 was/still is on skiboards, he very well might be carving the front four if he on something like that.
post #10 of 19
Quote:
Actually skistarr90 was/still is on skiboards, he very well might be carving the front four if he on something like that.
Well sadly that changes the situation... SkiStarr - you should invest in some skis I think. Anyhow, regardless of whether you are on ski boards or not, it is still not easy to carve them in those types of conditions. Being that you are on something with less than 100cm of edge probably indicates why you can't keep an edge on ice though. The width, and minimal technology as far as torsion is concerned that goes into a ski board hinders its ability to perform like a normal ski in any conditions. Fore/aft balance is an issue and stability at speed is an issue.. but I will let others tackle them.
Later
GREG
post #11 of 19
Speaking of ice, I skied some really strange stuff last year. At the end of a snow storm, it rained a bit. The top 4 inches or so of the now wet snow then froze overnite, and got scoured by some hellish winds. What we had was a very hard surface with about a foot of soft snow underneath. The ski edges would not go into the surface, they just pushed the surface down slightly. The technique that worked best was 1000 stomps, breaking the crust by alternately slamming each ski down through the crust.
post #12 of 19
Sounds like Cardboard ripping.:
post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
Actually skistarr90 was/still is on skiboards, he very well might be carving the front four if he on something like that.
Havent used them since 2001, im trying to sell them. skis are much better, i will buy skis when I stop growing. so maybe in 1.5 seasons?
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Now, I have never skied Stowe, so forgive me for my ignorance, but I always thought that a good majority of the front 4 were completely ungroomed (never seen a groomer), bump/crud runs full of natural terrain features...
Starr and Goat never have been groomed, never will be groomed, and I sincerely doubt they could groom either one even if they were so inclined. Lift line is pretty routinely groomed out, at least partially. National is usually half groomed, half bumped; I'm not sure if they ever groom out the headwall portion. I doubt it.
post #15 of 19
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post #16 of 19
Greta fun yes Challenge not really, unless you are trying to ski crud at speed at which piont then yes there is for sure challenge then
post #17 of 19
You're kidding right? Anyone who goes to the site - be sure to watch the video that is posted in product description for the first pair of boards. It is completely priceless - words cannot even express the skiing in that video... We should probably link it with the out of control snowboarder/skier/skiboarder thread though...

You were not an expert if you saw dramatic improvements in your ability with ski boards. You should probably use those 2 - 3 days that you were using to get back into your skiing "form" and get 2 - 3 days of lessons on skis.

Welcome to EpicSki and reality.

Later

GREG
post #18 of 19
www.lineskis.com look areound for the railjam video if its still there

the stuff the kids do with ski boards can be done with skis, better
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
Greta fun yes Challenge not really, unless you are trying to ski crud at speed at which piont then yes there is for sure challenge then
Skiboards are much more challenging than skis. You could never push your limits on skiboards the way you push them on your skis.

I have Line skiboards, short SL Elan HCX skis and a longer pair of freeride Elan M662 skis. Unless the terrain is perfectly groomed (and it rarely is) the longer the skis the easier it gets.

I also agree with HeluvaSkier, that the video is a pathetic way to showcase skiboards. Not only is the skier out of control on what seems to be a beginner run, but his ape-like form is ridiculous.
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