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Volkl Allstar, Fischer RX8, Atomic Metron B5 or others.

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
I am in the market for new skis this year, and I have quite a dilema.

My current SKIs are Salomon Equipe 10RC 2005 at 175 cm. They are equivalent of 2004-2005 Salomon Crossmax 10, just different paint job. I am Male, 28 years of age, between 160-165 lbs in weight, 5'10" height, between intermediate and advanced skier - Level 8 - (can ski any terain but clearly carving anything but black), phisically strong. I like my current ski, but I think they are too long for me. I have hard time carving them on black terrain.

I ski 95% groomed, linking medium sized carving turns at moderate to fast speeds, but I am also trying to advance my technique in powder. The problem is that the powder is available only a few days a year here (Bulgaria), so I am looking for skis that will excel on groomed and be OK more or less OK in powder. I want a ski that will help me refine my technique.

So I have nailed down the current offerings on the market, and I am asking for advise on the following models and lengths. My biggest problem is that I cannot demo the skis...

Volkl Allstar @ 161 or 168cm. Based on the reviews this ski seems to be very versatile, and user friendly. It is currently my top choice, but I am looking for second option on the length - 161 or 168 for me.

Fischer RX8 @ 165cm. This ski seems to be similar to the Volkl, but not that easy to use and with smaller radius and waist.

Atomic Metron B5 @ 162. A lot of buzz around this ski, but I think my technique will suffer from the heavy ski and the small radius.

Salomon Crossmax V12 @ 162. I do not know anything about this ski. It seems to be an update of my current ski, but with a bit more width at the tip and tail.

Many thanks in advance for the help. Any other suggestions are highly appreciated.

Stefan
post #2 of 22
I would demo the Allstar in both of those lengths. I would probably lean towards the 168. I weigh about 150 lbs and would be comfortable on it.

You might also want to consider the Superspeed.
post #3 of 22
DEMO, DEMO, DEMO,
And when in doubt DEMO again.
Only way to be totally sure you will like what you are going to purchase.
post #4 of 22
Thread Starter 
Unfortunately, here in Bulgaria demos are not common at all . Especially for high end models...

Stefan
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
Please - any body help me with this. I am thorn.

I am also considering a lower level ski - Something like Volkl 5 star...

Many thanks in advance!

Stefan
post #6 of 22
I dont think calling the Allstar "user friendly" is quite right. While it is reportedly less demanding (I have not skied it) than the 6 Star (which I have skied), it is still a very precise and stiff ski. Volkls reward good technique and strong inputs. If you technique is not so good, well...

Here are some good reviews on the Allstar and some of the other skis you're looking at,

http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/2,192.html

you can also check this site for quick reviews,

http://www.skireviews.co.uk/en/index.html

The Allstar is a ski that is really only for experts; the RX-8 is open to a wider range of users from strong intermediates and up. They are also going to have a really different feel; the RX-8 has a huge sidecut and is a pure carver.

Another issue to consider is price. You're not going to find any deals on the Allstar, or any used ones to pick up.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by sstefanov7
Fischer RX8 @ 165cm. This ski seems to be similar to the Volkl, but not that easy to use and with smaller radius and waist.
Where do you that from?

The RX 8 is extremely easy to ski, and has a wide performance window. The AllStars and the B5 require much more precise skier input, IMO.
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach13
Where do you that from?

The RX 8 is extremely easy to ski, and has a wide performance window. The AllStars and the B5 require much more precise skier input, IMO.
I got that probably in my mind only. Have been reading to much forums and reviews lately....:

Many thanks for the imput. Will have that in my mind...

BTW: Any imput on Volkl 5 star against the above skis? After further reading the forums, it seems that they might be a better choice.

Stefan
post #9 of 22
I demoed the 5 Star and the RX 8 before I bought my RX 8's and they actually performed pretty similar when I was pushing the skis. I settled on the RX-8 because it performs well whether your pushing the skis or not. The Volkls felt cumbersome and grabby, except at speed. I also felt like the RX 8 had much more energy, while the 5 star was damper. I prefer a ski that feels lively coming out of a turn, but that's personal preference. I know some like the damp feel.
post #10 of 22
I posted my impressions on my new allstars last week, feel free to read my comments. I'll post more as a get em in steeper and more varied terrain....

I am 185 lbs....mine are 168 and that is the right size....and I do not like short skis - until I ski'd these...

If you are truly a lvl 8 skier....at 160 lbs....?

Allstar 161 and Rx8 165 will rock your world

If not the RX6 or 5 star might make you smile a bit more, but the 5 star is last years technology, the allstar has all the 2006 bells and whistles.

The b5 is a lvl 9 ski IMO from what I have read. I have not ski'd it tho I would like to try it......

chk these visuals

www.amsao.it (instructional videos from Italian demo team....)

if you ski like lvl oro base or oro avanzato you can handle the allstar...you have to assess you own skills honestly....can't help ya there:

good luck, let us know what you decide

Coach, you on the 165 or 170 RX8? Didn't get to try those...have 2 buds on em who absolutely rave.....another bud on the elan m666 different type of ski? Ski'd everything I ski'd the other day with the allstar...sme pace, sme lines...I wanted to try those too...I am gonna like the Allstar tho, feel good about it.
post #11 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach13
The RX 8 is extremely easy to ski, and has a wide performance window. The AllStars and the B5 require much more precise skier input, IMO.
This is definitely true of the B5 v. RX8. I haven't skied the Allstar, yet, but I know that very high level skiers enjoy them. They are a longer turning ski, too.

The b5 isn't that heavy this year (15.8lbs in 162 with bindings). It skis very cleanly, but skis best with clean transitions and solid carving technique. If you want to have a ski that skis all terrain and conditions very well, you will go wrong with none of your choices. The real question in my mind is the radius you prefer (Allstar, RX8 and b5 from longest to shortest) and the feel you prefer (RX8, Allstar, b5 from liveliest to dampest--although the b5 isn't really damp; none of them are). The b5 will have a bit more "blast-through" strength than the RX8 for junky snow. I can't comment on that characteristic of the Allstar.

If you are concerned about your skills, pick the RX8. It will have a broader performance range for you.
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57
Coach, you on the 165 or 170 RX8?
I own both the 180cm, that I've skied for 2 seasons, and a 175cm that I'll be breaking out this year.
post #13 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach13
I own both the 180cm, that I've skied for 2 seasons, and a 175cm that I'll be breaking out this year.
hmmmm,

am I wrong then...should our friend here be looking at 170 rx6 or rx8? I probably should shut up about ski I haven't been on personally...been a bit of that going on around here huh? probably should remember your specs from reading your many posts on the ski.....sorry.

175 or 182 in the allstar would be a completely diff animal I think...Volkl specs put this guy clearly on a 161 I believe....
post #14 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by hrstrat57
hmmmm,

am I wrong then...should our friend here be looking at 170 rx6 or rx8? I probably should shut up about ski I haven't been on personally...been a bit of that going on around here huh? probably should remember your specs from reading your many posts on the ski.....sorry.
I think he'd be fine on a 165, but it depends on how he intends to use the ski.

I bought the 180 because I intended it to be an All Mountain, all condition eastern ski, and at 6'4"/ 250 it was a good fit. It worked out great.

Now that I have many other skis to choose from on any given day, I'll use the RX 8 as more of a hard pack carver than anything else. Hence the shorter length.
post #15 of 22
dont get the allstar or the *5 star get the RX8 or RX9
post #16 of 22
Just my 2 cents, based on french ski reviews (no personnal experience) :
The Alllstars got rave reviews and, indeed, were said to be 'user friendly' without sacrifying performance.
The Salomon V12 are supposed to be quite different from the previous Crossmax 10 : Stiffer, wider, better performance, closer to what a 'skicross' should be. Still on the soft side and thus good in the bumps.
A ski which got outstanding reviews for hardpack performance and is said to be quite good in deeper snow is the Rossignol Z9 Ti (73 underfoot). Kind of like a Metron B5 but lighter and easier.
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
Many thanks for all the replys. As my main concern is my skill improvement - I will go for the RX8 @ 165. Many thanks for all the help!

Stefan
post #18 of 22
The RX 8 would be the best choice. 165 sounds right. I haven't skied the Allstar yet, but I skied the Superspeed last year, which is supposed to be similar to the Allstar, and while I had fun on the ski, it is a lot of ski to be skiing all day every day.
post #19 of 22
You won't be disappointed with the RX8, especially for your use on predominatly groomed terrain. It has bulletproof edge grip, lots of energy that is easy to control, and flows nicely from turn to turn. 165 cm will be a good length for your weight & height. Its a nice all mountain ride which is biased towards the groomed, but with that wide tip and moderate flex it also skis well off piste. Enjoy!

Jim
post #20 of 22
"I am also considering a lower level ski - Something like Volkl 5 star..."

Don't let the ski mags fool you. The 5 star is not a "lower level ski", it is an expert ski for all but the best of the best.

You might even want to look at the 4 star.
post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
Many thanks for all the help guys. I just have another questions:

What about the new Atomic IZOR 9:7. Based on description and reviews, this seems to be very well suited to what I need.

Also what will be the proper length for me (165lbs, 5' 10").

Once again, thanks for the help!

Stefan
post #22 of 22
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