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Looks like the Kemmerer family really, really wants to go with option A. They're just 20 million short.

http://www.jacksonholenews.com/

I guess you can send donations to the "Tram Team."
Thanks for the link. Never been to JH. What kind of terrain will the route of proposed Tbar/poma traverse? Something tells me they are likely to sustain more injuries from a steep tbar than they would from running the old tram a few more years until a proper replacement is built.
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 Originally Posted by Jamesj Thanks for the link. Never been to JH. What kind of terrain will the route of proposed Tbar/poma traverse? Something tells me they are likely to sustain more injuries from a steep tbar than they would from running the old tram a few more years until a proper replacement is built.
You might be right in a strict statistical sense but if the tram were to fail, the consequences would be devastating for those involved. Granted, tram failure (even at its current age) may be a very low probability event but any probablility above virtual zero makes it devil's calculus to specify an acceptable limit.
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 Originally Posted by lifer You might be right in a strict statistical sense but if the tram were to fail, the consequences would be devastating for those involved. Granted, tram failure (even at its current age) may be a very low probability event but any probablility above virtual zero makes it devil's calculus to specify an acceptable limit.
I've been on plenty of lifts in Europe that are far older (St. Anton, Lech Garmisch), but are still operational. Just like many airplanes (DC-3s, B-24s, B-52s, etc) that are still operational beyond their service life years, each unit must be taken in its individual circumstance. That tram is still in excellent shape could be used for years beyond the original 40 year life span. They could spend that \$5 million on repairs/mods and make the tram last even longer.

Gondola

Looks like Option B is a gondola. Am I wrong, or would a gondola have greater hourly capacity than the tram would have? I understand that 20% of the time, it wouldn't operate. But, to tell you the truth, that's the 20% you least want to be at the top of Rendezvous mountain anyways. And, also being honest, a gondola is a bit more comfortable than a tram (my wife, for instance, hates trams, and you can sit down on a gondola, which you can't on a tram). What are the pluses and minuses here?
"Tram Option A, the preferred option, would replace the existing lift with an 80-passenger, top-to-bottom tram that would run along the existing tram line. The new tram would have an enclosed top terminal with a restaurant and would carry 520 skiers per hour, up from the current capacity of 400 skiers per hour."

A base-to-summit gondola would move over 1300 skiers per hour and cost \$9 million less than a tram.

Trams are very high capital cost/high maintenance cost in terms of skiers per hour. Asking federal and Wyoming taxpayers to help fund this is a ridiculous extravagance that benefits a very few. Unless the Kemmerer family wants to pay it back under terms of a low-interest loan, for example.

Except for access to backcountry, Corbet's and a few other chutes, Rendezvous Bowl is one of the least desirable steeps at JH.

People who really want to get above Sublette lift should hike for their turns.
I don't know much about the Kemmerer family but they sound like weasels. I would love to take a look at their financials. I don't buy this annualized \$27K return. If the market demands a tram, the market will pay for the tram through increased ticket prices and season pass prices which, if I'm not mistaken, are above the industry averages already. No way should taxpayer funding subsidize the construction of a new tram.
Jeez, my \$70 lift ticket isn't enough, now I need to my a donation to keep the tram too?
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 Originally Posted by Jamesj Thanks for the link. Never been to JH. What kind of terrain will the route of proposed Tbar/poma traverse? Something tells me they are likely to sustain more injuries from a steep tbar than they would from running the old tram a few more years until a proper replacement is built.
It looks like it will take the same route (it will not traverse any terrian, it will climb terrain) as the previous Poma, along skier's right of Rendezvous Bowl. No higher incident rate was witnessed when the previous Poma was in.

No, the Kemmerer family is not looking for donations or partners. They are looking for low interest loans or grants, such that they can maintain control of the mountain.

HB
I'll donate money towards the poma. I know it was not popular with the locals, but as the only way to the top, it would add to the mystique of Corbetts and S&S, and make Ten Sleep, Expert Chutes a little harder to get to, and R'vous Bowl itself will get less traffic. I would rather see it be a hike if we can't raise the funds for a poma or rope tow.
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 Originally Posted by HarkinBanks It looks like it will take the same route (it will not traverse any terrian, it will climb terrain) as the previous Poma, along skier's right of Rendezvous Bowl. No higher incident rate was witnessed when the previous Poma was in. No, the Kemmerer family is not looking for donations or partners. They are looking for low interest loans or grants, such that they can maintain control of the mountain. HB
Harkin:

I was in a day-long meeting today and the Pres of the Ski Corp was one of the presenters. According to him, the "new" surface lift would go up the LOOKER'S right side of Rendezvous Bowl (probably near the current tree line along the north edge of R-Bowl proper). The old poma went up looker's left and then jogged right along the ridgeline to the top.

This new route would allow for a straight line access to the top of the mountain. What's sort of being de-emphasized right at the moment is how really, REALLY difficult a route like that would be for snowboarders. Going up any surface lift seems to be difficult for boarders, and this one would be VERY steep in comparison.

Also, he was adamant about the fact that this new surface lift would be temporary until the eventual tram/gondola is constructed.
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