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post #61 of 86
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
Actually, I think you are living in your own little world. A beefy midfat will walk all over any race ski when you start throwing softer snow into the mix, especially on mixed ice with patches of soft snow. I'll be laying deep hard trenches while you're booting out all over the place or dodging mini moguls. Hahaha!
Hooey!
post #62 of 86
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
A beefy midfat will walk all over any race ski when you start throwing softer snow into the mix, especially on mixed ice with patches of soft snow. I'll be laying deep hard trenches while you're booting out all over the place or dodging mini moguls. Hahaha!
Geez, now I've heard it all. Ok, come out and teach your carving clinic in the PNW. You bring your fat things, I'll get some of the hacks I ski with, maybe Atomicman will bring some of his pathetic skis. You can show us how to ski. I mean, you are Waaay better than than average bear.

Better, yet, stay in Killington and be a wannabe.
post #63 of 86
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Originally Posted by newfydog
Geez, now I've heard it all. Ok, come out and teach your carving clinic in the PNW. You bring your fat things, I'll get some of the hacks I ski with, maybe Atomicman will bring some of his pathetic skis. You can show us how to ski. I mean, you are Waaay better than than average bear.

Better, yet, stay in Killington and be a wannabe.
I've never had any problem carving on bulletproof ice with a pair of 90mm waist skis, as long as they are tuned for it. Is your ice harder out there?
post #64 of 86
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Originally Posted by newfydog
Geez, now I've heard it all. Ok, come out and teach your carving clinic in the PNW. You bring your fat things, I'll get some of the hacks I ski with, maybe Atomicman will bring some of his pathetic skis. You can show us how to ski. I mean, you are Waaay better than than average bear.

Better, yet, stay in Killington and be a wannabe.
Here's a good example of what people are actually skiing on in the PNW:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=40761

I don't see any race skis being mentioned.
post #65 of 86
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
Here's a good example of what people are actually skiing on in the PNW:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=40761

I don't see any race skis being mentioned.
Exactly! That is the forum you belong on! I'm so glad you found it. Now go to TGR and stay.
post #66 of 86
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Originally Posted by newfydog
Exactly! That is the forum you belong on! I'm so glad you found it. Now go to TGR and stay.
Nah, you guys seem to be far more in need of ski advice.
post #67 of 86
Thread Starter 
I was able to demo the M:EX (175cm) and Head IM88 (175cm) back to back today.

I found the M:EX to be fairly forgiving. It was easy to engage and carve GS turns on groomed and in the chop. Stable at speed in both conditions. Plows through crud with ease.

The IM88 skis longer. A good carver for GS turns but requires more effort than the M:EX. Plows through crud with ease. Stable at speed in both conditions.

I found the M:EX a bit easier to ski but I like the SW construction of the IM88 and the burly feel of the ski. I would take the IM88 over the M:EX.
post #68 of 86
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Originally Posted by Max_501
I was able to demo the M:EX (175cm) and Head IM88 (175cm) back to back today.

I found the M:EX to be fairly forgiving. It was easy to engage and carve GS turns on groomed and in the chop. Stable at speed in both conditions. Plows through crud with ease.

The IM88 skis longer. A good carver for GS turns but requires more effort than the M:EX. Plows through crud with ease. Stable at speed in both conditions.

I found the M:EX a bit easier to ski but I like the SW construction of the IM88 and the burly feel of the ski. I would take the IM88 over the M:EX.
What is you weight and skier type for reference? It helps us to know who the skis are working best for.

Thanks!
post #69 of 86
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MattL
What is you weight and skier type for reference? It helps us to know who the skis are working best for.

Thanks!
165lbs. Not sure what lvl...I guess 8 or 9.
post #70 of 86
Max 501,

I skiied both skis plus the Fischer Kehua (177 92 wide) last week at a demo in Stevens Pass, Washington. I'm 6'5 235 strong intermediate to advanced level. Temps were 15 at base all day with firm pack powder and rare hard spots on long groomers. The crud looked uninviting so no sampling there.

The M88 was skiied at 186 I believe and was the clear winner as an amazing somewhat effortless ride at any speed, short or long turn. The Kehua was a pleasant ride, can go fast, and can handle short or long turns but took a little more effort. The M:EX was a disappointment. I think I skiied it at sub 170 lengths and it seemed way too grabby in short or long terms and much more effort on any shape arc. I would guess that the M88 or Kehua are also excellent powder floating crud busting rides but can't say from experience.
post #71 of 86

Nice review

Soo forgoing the two pages of BS in the thread, Max_501 and Hwy Star, thanks for the comparison. So the EX is an easier ride, but the IM88 Responds better to aggressive input? I have watched people on both, unfortunity the guy on the IM88 was in over his head so it looked ugly.
post #72 of 86
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Originally Posted by MTT
Soo forgoing the two pages of BS in the thread, Max_501 and Hwy Star, thanks for the comparison. So the EX is an easier ride, but the IM88 Responds better to aggressive input? I have watched people on both, unfortunity the guy on the IM88 was in over his head so it looked ugly.
I find that I can ski the iM88 either relaxed or powerfully. It can turn easily in any condition (provided the skier knows how to release in the given condition) and comes around very quick, with minimal effort. Not a Pocket Rocket, but not hard to ski. When you push the iM88, it really comes alive. There just seemed to be no speed limit on this ski, even in a 175 length in the choppiest crud. On groomers, it hooks up and carves very well, and again responds well to edge angle. The tail is reasonably stiff and will accelerate out of the turn like no big-mountain ski I have yet skied. I sold a pair today to a guy who demoed 4 all-mountain skis and is a Level 6-7, and he said he felt like Superman on the iM88 (I thought the ski would maybe be to much for him, so maybe it is even more forgiving than I am giving it credit for).
post #73 of 86
I skied the 175's M:EX's again on sunday after skiing huge skis all day saturday (powder pluses, 1080 gun labs, AK rockets). I basicly forgot how to make deep GS carves, and 175 is way too unstable. 19m is way too much sidecut.
post #74 of 86
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
I basicly forgot how to make deep GS carves, and 175 is way too unstable. 19m is way too much sidecut.
Huh? :
post #75 of 86
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Originally Posted by The Best Skier At EpicSki
I basicly forgot how to make deep GS carves, and 175 is way too unstable. 19m is way too much sidecut.
Are you sure you knew how to make them in the first place? It sounds like you ski SG turns or DH turns... not GS turns. That is fine, but lets call it what it is.

Later

GREG
post #76 of 86
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
I'm 180 lb, 6'1', 27, ski on the east coast and am extremely agressive and skilled by epicski standards (no, I'm not kidding, you have to realize this because my perspective on skis is waaay different).
...and how many of the EpicSki Bears have you skied with? One or two? And, of those, were any of them extremely aggressive and skilled? Yes? Thought so.

You're judging skill by ski preference? Good grief.
post #77 of 86
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Are you sure you knew how to make them in the first place? It sounds like you ski SG turns or DH turns... not GS turns. That is fine, but lets call it what it is.

Later

GREG
Um, no. I think you're missing my point. I skied BIG skis, which are wide, long, heavy, and require an entirely different technique than the M:EX. When I swiched back to the M:EX's, my carving technique was screwed up, and they also felt super squirrelly. It's never a good idea to go from one of the biggest skis you have to one of the smallest, even being someone who skis a wide variety of skis all the time.
post #78 of 86
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Originally Posted by ssh
...and how many of the EpicSki Bears have you skied with? One or two? And, of those, were any of them extremely aggressive and skilled? Yes? Thought so.

You're judging skill by ski preference? Good grief.
I skied with Phil, and KevinF. I didn't get a good look at kevinF's technique. Phil is a very good skier, but I would not call him agressive.
post #79 of 86
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
Um, no. I think you're missing my point. I skied BIG skis, which are wide, long, heavy, and require an entirely different technique than the M:EX. When I swiched back to the M:EX's, my carving technique was screwed up, and they also felt super squirrelly. It's never a good idea to go from one of the biggest skis you have to one of the smallest, even being someone who skis a wide variety of skis all the time.
If you have a problem switching from a big ski to a smaller ski, there is something wrong with you.

No, there is something wrong with you regardlless of what skis you are on!

There you go spewing BS again! Stop it, please would you. You are making fool of yourself! Every post gets more ridiculous!
post #80 of 86
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
If you have a problem switching from a big ski to a smaller ski, there is something wrong with you.

No, there is something wrong with you regardlless of what skis you are on!

There you go spewing BS again! Stop it, please would you. You are making fool of yourself! Every post gets more ridiculous!
You can't be serious....I will again make you look like a fool. We are not talking about switching from a 185 GS ski to a 180 freecarver.

On Saturday, I skied on the following, in this order, at Killington in mixed soft snow, bumps, and 12" of untracked melting windpack with a snowmaking crust, on top of no base, with waterbars, ledges/cliffs, and stumps.

188 Dynastar Intutive Bigs, 997 11-17, driver plus plates, -1cm.
195 Salomon AK Rocket (swallowtail), demo's, -1cm.
188 Salomon 1080 Gun LAB, demos, -1cm.
180 Atomic Powder Plus, S916's, driver plus plates, -2cm, centered

On Sunday, I skied hardpack on the 175 M:EX's with 10mm lift and 1018 race's.

Now, anybody who has ever skied a really fat ski in soft snow the way they are supposed to be skied will tell you that it's entirely different than race or carving technique. Going from the Gun LAB's to the P+, cake, virtually the same thing. Going to the M:EX, suckage.

Even so, I got a couple hoots from the lift laying out some trenches.
post #81 of 86
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Now, anybody who has ever skied a really fat ski in soft snow the way they are supposed to be skied will tell you that it's entirely different than race or carving technique.
It's actually not that different. When I ski powder I don't do the normal up/down thing with my feet together like most powder skiers do. I ski more of a carved turn with a race stance. Due to my weight, staying on top and getting angles is pretty easy - to actually float on powder I don't need much over a 90mm waist. The turns end up somewhere between a GS and SL turn usually. It's fun, looks pretty cool, and is very different from traditional powder skiing... now only if there were more places to ski powder like that...

Later

GREG
post #82 of 86
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
You can't be serious....I will again make you look like a fool. We are not talking about switching from a 185 GS ski to a 180 freecarver.

On Saturday, I skied on the following, in this order, at Killington in mixed soft snow, bumps, and 12" of untracked melting windpack with a snowmaking crust, on top of no base, with waterbars, ledges/cliffs, and stumps.

188 Dynastar Intutive Bigs, 997 11-17, driver plus plates, -1cm.
195 Salomon AK Rocket (swallowtail), demo's, -1cm.
188 Salomon 1080 Gun LAB, demos, -1cm.
180 Atomic Powder Plus, S916's, driver plus plates, -2cm, centered

On Sunday, I skied hardpack on the 175 M:EX's with 10mm lift and 1018 race's.

Now, anybody who has ever skied a really fat ski in soft snow the way they are supposed to be skied will tell you that it's entirely different than race or carving technique. Going from the Gun LAB's to the P+, cake, virtually the same thing. Going to the M:EX, suckage.

Even so, I got a couple hoots from the lift laying out some trenches.
You are pathetic. Those hoots were owls in the woods laughing at your sorry ass.
post #83 of 86
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
You can't be serious....I will again make you look like a fool. We are not talking about switching from a 185 GS ski to a 180 freecarver.

On Saturday, I skied on the following, in this order, at Killington in mixed soft snow, bumps, and 12" of untracked melting windpack with a snowmaking crust, on top of no base, with waterbars, ledges/cliffs, and stumps.

188 Dynastar Intutive Bigs, 997 11-17, driver plus plates, -1cm.
195 Salomon AK Rocket (swallowtail), demo's, -1cm.
188 Salomon 1080 Gun LAB, demos, -1cm.
180 Atomic Powder Plus, S916's, driver plus plates, -2cm, centered

On Sunday, I skied hardpack on the 175 M:EX's with 10mm lift and 1018 race's.

Now, anybody who has ever skied a really fat ski in soft snow the way they are supposed to be skied will tell you that it's entirely different than race or carving technique. Going from the Gun LAB's to the P+, cake, virtually the same thing. Going to the M:EX, suckage.

Even so, I got a couple hoots from the lift laying out some trenches.
Kind of reminds me of the baby from Family Guy... I used to get hoots when I snowboarded.
post #84 of 86
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
It's actually not that different. When I ski powder I don't do the normal up/down thing with my feet together like most powder skiers do. I ski more of a carved turn with a race stance. Due to my weight, staying on top and getting angles is pretty easy - to actually float on powder I don't need much over a 90mm waist. The turns end up somewhere between a GS and SL turn usually. It's fun, looks pretty cool, and is very different from traditional powder skiing... now only if there were more places to ski powder like that...

Later

GREG
Greg,

A 90mm ski is not a "really wide" ski. It's a midfat. You can use virtually any technique with them, including a quasi carved bent ski powder turn, especially softer ones - my AK launchers were like that, as are the IM88, PR's, etc. Big mountain style skis with 100-120mm waists and stiff flexes ski better with a wide, evenly weighted stance (50/50 the entire turn), and pivoting the ski around as needed in short turns, when you aren't going fast enough to flex it. They will make large quasi-carved (bent ski) turns at higher speeds, when you can flex the ski a bit. The 50/50 weighting and pivoting are entirely different than good carving technique,.

If you try skiing a large powder ski, you will get the idea.
post #85 of 86
If you can't bend them and turn them properly most of the time why are you skiing on them? Just to put this in perspective for you a 90mm waist for me is like you skiing on a 100 or 105mm waist (you have about 20+lbs on me which makes a big difference in terms of floatation). I didn't claim that a 90mm waist was really wide - I said it was wide enough - especially for lift served stuff. If I were heli-skiing every day I would probably go well over 100.

I know how to 50/50 weight and pivot - it sucks. Why do you ski on a ski that requires that you ski like that? I am actually getting a slightly larger ski for my trip out west this year (I am certain you've read the thread) - but I got it for its stability at speed and carvability - I don't plan on pivoting it unless its an emergency or the terrain requires it (which I'm certain will happen - but it won't be my "standard" technique with them).

Later

GREG
post #86 of 86
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
If you can't bend them and turn them properly most of the time why are you skiing on them? Just to put this in perspective for you a 90mm waist for me is like you skiing on a 100 or 105mm waist (you have about 20+lbs on me which makes a big difference in terms of floatation). I didn't claim that a 90mm waist was really wide - I said it was wide enough - especially for lift served stuff. If I were heli-skiing every day I would probably go well over 100.

I know how to 50/50 weight and pivot - it sucks. Why do you ski on a ski that requires that you ski like that? I am actually getting a slightly larger ski for my trip out west this year (I am certain you've read the thread) - but I got it for its stability at speed and carvability - I don't plan on pivoting it unless its an emergency or the terrain requires it (which I'm certain will happen - but it won't be my "standard" technique with them).

Later

GREG
Greg,

I ski a 115mm waist, 180cm powder ski, which will have about 30% more surface area than the 90mm 175's you are considering. Our difference in weight is probably around 10%, factoring that I have very light boots, and you have race boots. Regardless, there are many more factors in how a ski floats, specifically the sidecut shape, flex, and mount point.

"Proper Technique" does not work on these skis. The 50/50 pivot technique is excellent for handling variable terrain without having to make style adjustments. Bumps, steeps, pow, trees, open mank...no prob, do it all. It allows for focusing more on the terrain and picking some pretty sketchy lines, knowing that you can charge over anything at any speed, slow or fast, in a highly predictable manner.

I've been out on these skis 3 time so far this year, and they are good on anything but ice, when skied properly. They dominate in tricky soft snow, thin cover, and deep light snow.
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