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Fire iridium lense Vs. Blue iridium

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
i will be getting oakley wisdom goggles in the next week but i cant decide between fire iridium and blue iridium i have heard all kinds of stories, in one saying fire is bad for low light in another saying fire is good for all light conditions and i also heard similar stories about blue iridium.

i really like the look of both lenses fire is a "bit" cooler but blue also has the mirror look i like. WHAT would be a good lense for all around, i will be using for 70% day skiing and 30% night skiing, of the 70% day about 40% on piste and 30% tree skiing .

i am finally getting good goggles after i had my shitty spies which i preffered not to ride in because i couldn't see any bumps on the snow and i was basically like afraid of skiing in them because i couldn't see anything--- moguls almost looked like regular flat snow. i think they had the generic spy persimmon lense, i really dont like the color persimmon produces when u see things.

ty for all the help.
post #2 of 24
If it's going to be your only lense, the blue iridium is the better choice. Fire is dark enough that I would not use it at night; late day low-light conditions are tough enough.

For another $40, you can pick up a VR28 or Persimmon lense in addition to one of the Iridium lenses. Either of the tints I mentioned will give better vision and definition while night skiing than a mirrored Iridium lense.

That Fire lense is a real looker though, isn't it?
post #3 of 24
I've got the wisdoms with the blue iridium lense. Now, I don't really have anything to compare to except my last pair of crappy smiths with some rosey orangy lense that presented me with the same problem you describe - I couldn't see countours in the snow, everything looked flat.

I love the blue iridium. Haven't used them a ton at night, but never had any problem with them. They're a dream during the day, whether it's bluebird or overcast, everything looks nice and crisp, good definition to terrain countours, etc. Plus they sorta go with my blue jacket

Again, I can't directly compare to the fire iridium or other lenses, but I really do love my blue iridiums.

Cheers,

Chris
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
thnx guys according to the oakley website blue iridium is 25% light transmission and fire is 22% so the 3% is really just a slight difference, i think i will ultimatly chose based on preference although both lenses look really nice, i'm going to have a very hard time to decide.

btw iskitoofast4u where did u say u can get 40$ replacement WISDOM lenses cus last time i checked they were all like 90$
post #5 of 24
Lifetime Oakley wearer (factory pilots will be cool again someday

I have the fire in my juliets and they were great, in fact the best Iridium to date for skiing, but they were too dark and flat once the sun went into the clouds or dark side of a hill. no contrast just a flat hill, even though it wasn't

Fire (22%) technically will let in more light than blue (15%). but the blue does weird things to how you think it looks. Similar to putting on yellows on a cloudy day. All of a sudden it appears brighter. The blue Iridium lense picks up the blue on the snow and it's like lights went on, but in the dark BOOM darkness.

Go with either but get a pair of intensity yellow (88%)persimmon (61%)or G30 (30%) for darker days and night. Skiing blind is no fun, a waste of effort and a great way to wreck a whole season.

There is now a high intensity persimmon but I don't have the light transmission % on them. likely lower than standard persimmon.

If you wear a helmet make sure you buy the helmet strap. Don't be a cheap bastard they are like $20.00

You are all gonna say I am mad but don't just pick the first pair the guy hands you from the cabinet, find a good light and look through a number of the same colour lense if Iridium. Lots of differance in the light transmission and colours it produces from lense to lense.

I had a pair of gold Iridium Factory Pilots that looked very blue when you looked through them. Awesome combination. None of the other gold Iridium lenses were like that. Since then I have done the same trick as the years went on and it still makes a differance, just not as drastic as the good ole days.
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
where is the best and cheapest place to buy replacement lenses, and i dont wear a helmet: so i wont be needing the helmet strap.
post #7 of 24
post #8 of 24
I agree with Marmot's comments above. I have the Oakley A-Frame goggle with the Blue Iridium lens and I feel they are too dark for night skiing. These lenses are great in the sun, but if you do go night skiing invest in the Hi-Intensity lens which is yellow and provides the best vision in darker settings.
post #9 of 24
I have a-frames with fire iridiums that I use for my everyday goggle, and there is nothing better in high light conditions (i.e. Vail). For your typical gloomy day, they don't do especially well with flat light. I have never tried using them at night, and would not recommend it, as they are very dark. It really is very cool to have a completely mirrored goggle though, as people have no idea if you are paying attention to them or not.

They are my favorite pair of goggles thus far.
post #10 of 24
I don't know that the irridium lenses are really worth the extra $40 over the persimmon (sp?). I owned a pair of the A-Frames (lost/stolen) with the black irridium and now a pair of the Wisdoms with the Persimmon, and like the persimminon a bit better. Really, you don't need anything too dark to cut the sun light, and you really don't want anything too dark as noted by others, as it often obscures the contours of the snow. If the looks are really that important, a fool and his money soon part. Do yourself (and your wallet) a favor and take a pass on the irridium. The benefits just don't outweigh the difference in price.
post #11 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by staffpro
where is the best and cheapest place to buy replacement lenses, and i dont wear a helmet: so i wont be needing the helmet strap.
You can find them at online retailers like REI, or order them through Oakley's web site. You won't be likely to find a difference in price between the retailers and Oakley's prices.

According to Oakley's website:

Wisdom Replacement lenses:

$40
Persimmon
Clear
VR28

$70
High-Intensity Yellow
High-Intensity Persimmon
Blue Irridium
Black Irridium
Gold Irridium
G30
VR28 Black

$80
Fire Irridium

The same prices follow for the A-Frame goggles as well.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by doublediamond223
It really is very cool to have a completely mirrored goggle though, as people have no idea if you are paying attention to them or not.
well said!!!! lol i guess ill get the fire iridium for day and one of the 40$ ones for nigth. I will be a ski instructor this year so i just want to update all my equip becus i will be outside for a 6 hour shift thats every weekend for one day, the other day i will be enjoying the super pass that they gave me for being the ski pro and the nights will be occasionally maybe everyother week, for christmas i am goign to quebec for 8 days that will be all day skiing and then for march break if i can get sum cheap airfare i mite go to france for 7 days that will also be all day skiing!!!!
post #13 of 24
I agree the Persimmon is the best all day put it on and forget about it lense. Slightly brightish in the full sun, but do able.

Everyone has a darkness threshold differance to how dark it becomes before their vision is a problem. Me I have real problems in the flat and dark and hence use the Persimmon all day. If it gets bright I just slap on the Juliets.

The high Intensity Yellows are way cool, huge light transmission and for night and flat these are hands down the best. Fire for day and High Intensity for night. Common don't be so cheap. LOL

Another option is buy good day time sunny goggles and buy some cheap pair of clears or yellows for the few times you need them.
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 
it snows frequently at the place i ski so sunglasses are not an option as ther is always lak effect snow, almost always. as for going on vacations to different places in quebec during christmas it is regularly below -10(celsius) thats like i guess 10-20 fareheit i think. so sunglasses are not the way to go enless i want to have frostbite on my face lol. In france in march break on the other hand they mite be an option but hten i will also have to buy good sport sunglasses so i rather just buy the wisdoms with fire lense and also buy the high intensity pers or vr28 or yellow.
post #15 of 24
I have A-frames.


Had the fire lense for 2 yrs. 50/50 day/night skiing. I only wear my goggles when conditions require it, otherwise they are on top of my helmet. For day--nothing beats fire. Our mountain is very well lit except for one run. The fire worked at night even when they were blowing snow. It worked, but not great. You can get by.

Last year I purchased the Blue Irid directly from Oakley (I had a credit). It too is great and very good at night. Worth the money.

If I had to choose one--I would go with Fire and deal with the night skiing issues. Again 50% of the time you can wear clear sunglasses or nothing at all.


1) if you are teaching at night---do you really need goggles? What level of students? Opt more to fire for the day then.

2) If you buy both lenses---try switching them out first, then think again. The A-frames are a bear. Ok--in a warm cozy room by the fire with nothing else to do, you can do it in 5-7 minutes. But rarely is this the case. Generally you are in the locker room, ready to go and then see that you want to change lenses. Its not a 2 minute deal. I would go a week with one lense or the other just because I did not want to deal with it. As soon as I switched to Fire--the clouds came in. WHen I switched to Blue---the sun came out. I had friends coxing me on both sides of the aisle...those who wanted more snow and those who wanted warmth. Anyone have an empty A-frame they want to sell on the cheep?
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
no i will only be teachine during the day, my mountain is very well lit during the day and during the night they also have veyr high powered lamps and alot of them. this season including all my vacations ill be doing about 75% day 25% night skiing.

Greg gaspar how was the fire in the day but while snowing like in a blizzard???

and i also see alot of ppl saying the blue iridium is very good all round when according to oakley website it has 15% light transmission and the fire has 16% so the fire should be just a tad brighter.

anyways i'm going to go to my local ski shop tommorow and try the various lenses then i will just purchase them online. i really like the fire tho, i love the mirror look it beats all the other mirror looks becus u cnat see thru them even i f u are lookign directly at them while other goggle have semi-mirror looks where ther are mirrors only from certain angles.
post #17 of 24
Just as one last tid bit of info on Oakley Iridium. It's a bitch to clean and it scratches very easily.

This is my biggest complaint about Iridium. I have had countless useless lenses because of scratches in the iridium. Yet I still have and use my E frames from some 10+ years ago with a yellow lense, some of the use for Dirt bike riding.

keep that in mind if you are flip flopping between standard lense and a iridium one.
post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 
thnx, i will go to the stor tommorw try on the fire iridium and if i cna see ok in the store under the fake light then i guess i will be ok on the hill, if not then i will get extra lenses and i will have to be very very careful:
post #19 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmot mb
Just as one last tid bit of info on Oakley Iridium. It's a bitch to clean and it scratches very easily.

This is my biggest complaint about Iridium. I have had countless useless lenses because of scratches in the iridium. Yet I still have and use my E frames from some 10+ years ago with a yellow lense, some of the use for Dirt bike riding.

keep that in mind if you are flip flopping between standard lense and a iridium one.
Yeah, I forgot to mention that part. If you're going to be working with young kids, Staffpro, you'll make it somewhere between 2-4 minutes before one of them scratches your goggles. No matter how careful I am with goggles before and after skiing or riding, they always look like they were my eye's last defense against a blast of buckshot by season's end!
post #20 of 24
Thread Starter 
the position is just a volunteer position, but for it i get a superpass so i think my job is to help the actual instructor, i dont really think kids are that evil that they run around with razor blades scratching peoples goggles<--- at least i wasnt like that when i was a kid.
post #21 of 24
Speaking of kids, how about them? Any thoughts on what is best for the kids?

I want to get my kids new goggles this year. Partly for warmth, and partly for vison. They won't ever ski at night, and as far as light I would say 50/50 flat/sunny. They are 5 and 8 and I want them to enjoy the sport like I do, so I don't push real hard if the weather is to crappy.

Buying two pair, I would like to be somewhat smart about how much I spend. Especially since I just bought myself new skis, am going to Vail for new boots in a few days, and with all this talk of goggles, I might spring for some of these Oakleys as well.

Your thoughts are appreciated.
post #22 of 24
Thread Starter 
i just got back from the store andi tried on the fire lenses at the store and uprisingly they aren't very dark, they are very clear and u see everything really sharply thru them with enhanced definition, i just placed an order on ebay for a pair of these babies! for 110$ which is like half price!

btw for your kids i wud recommend some cheaper oakleys with persimmon lenses, u cna probably get them for about 35$. Kids usually ride in goggles for 1-2 season max bfor they grow out of it or completly ruin the goggle so... ye.
post #23 of 24
Oakley does make a smaller goggle but it's too high priced for something that will get lost or stolen.

I bought my 5 year old a pair of Smiths. Double lensed and were only $24 Canuk bucks brand new.
post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 
or yeah, kids usually break/scratch/damage and they grow out of them quickly so dont spend too much money on their goggles. As long as they can see well thru them theyre fine.
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