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post #61 of 89

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Originally Posted by MattL
If we don't have a lock on us we usually take turns going to the bathroom or getting our food instead of everybody going at once. Sometimes the would be thieves don't realize that the watch person is part of the group and have been caught in the act. Of course they play dumb and act like it's just a mistake.
Matt,

Great technique. But next time get a good description of the "dumb ass" and report them. They're probably just going to swipe someone else's skis. These people need to be caught and made examples of, not just detered. And if they are caught, there's a chance that some already stolen skis can be recovered.
post #62 of 89
The laminated card under the binding is probably a bit flawed these days because the newer model skis have pre-drilled plates, and therefore, don't need to be taken to a shop to be remounted. But I guess if the skis are sold to a unsuspecting buyer on the internet, the buyer would know they have hot skis and could report the seller to the proper authorities, but only at the risk of losing the skis they just got for a killer deal.
post #63 of 89
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Originally Posted by ts01
I've never thought to worry about equipment in my box and rack using the Thule lock cores. Obviously someone can drive off with the entire vehicle, but are the Thule locks themselves an easy target?
It is usually a smash and grab. The plastic gets harder and more brittle in the bitter cold. But I have heard of theives cutting whole racks off of cars too.
post #64 of 89
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Originally Posted by therusty
.. are easily beaten, someone who is "breaking" one of these locks can immediately be detected as a thief.
Kryptonites 4 number combo locks can be opened in 15-30 seconds without a combo, without "breaking" anything, and without cutting or damaging anything. It'll just look like I'm dialing in my combo and I made a mistake once or twice.

You should see the look on people's faces when they come in to ask if we can replace their "broken" (lost combo) lock and several employees can open them in less than a minute. Kryptonite, as might be expected, denies there is a problem. They did however seem to improve the retractables for last year. The four number cable locks are a joke, even though the cable is a lot beefier.

The 3 digit combo lock someone posted a link to IS NOT susceptible to anything but brute force attack, and is therefore more secure than the "choose your own combo" 4 digit locks. If you have the opportunity to choose a lock without the capability to change combos, choose that one.
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Per skiingman's remarks, please make sure your sales receipts have the skis serial number on it. I love the laminated card idea.
Me too. I've never found one of those cards, but what a darned good idea. I always write the serial number on the binding release form of any ski I do anything more than a tune on, but people still call every year wanting to know if we can "look up" their serial. We can, but at the moment it requires digging through tons of paper. Hopefully next year I'll integrate it into the inventory/POS system.
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Now if we could only get resorts to put up security cameras to record ski racks we might get a little better at deterring thieves.
Our local hill put up signs stating people were being watched by camera, but I don't think they actually spent the money on the cameras and did it.

Its a really good idea though, and we all know how bad the publicity is when skis do get stolen. I imagine the big sticking point is the cost of equipment that can deal with the weather when compared to the cost of typical retail surveillance stuff.
post #65 of 89
regarding cable locks. A simple pair of rusty needle nose pliers would likely cut through most of them. This could be done ever so non conspiciously having no one notice unless they were directly looking at them.

If you are a ski theif you are going to go after the hottest newest gear. It isn't going to matter cable lock or not, unless the same pair is near unlocked.

I'm glad our area isn't theft heavy but at the same time it would create ski checks and monitored and fenced ski storage area's making it much easier and safer to store your skis.

I like the idea of marking up someway your ski's, I have 8800's and the top sheet is some weird fibery like material that stickers won't stick to.

Regarding proving after the fact and to insurance companies. Obviously a picture of the ski and one of the serial number is the way to go, but ultimately the best is just having a record of the serial number dated and signed on a peice of paper with a witness, preferably a Commisionair of Oathes. Without the serial number a pawn shop, retailer, reseller, cops will tell you to take a hike.

Vid cams on the ski racks would be a major benefit and deterant.

Or come ski Canada where it isn't such a problem.
post #66 of 89
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Originally Posted by therusty
Matt,

Great technique. But next time get a good description of the "dumb ass" and report them. They're probably just going to swipe someone else's skis. These people need to be caught and made examples of, not just detered. And if they are caught, there's a chance that some already stolen skis can be recovered.
Or better yet whip out your digital camera and take their picture...papparazzi style!
post #67 of 89
Lots of ski areas offer a ski-check. Several here allow full season ski check privleges to passholders and vertical plus (Booth Creek Resorts) members; and for a buck or two anyone can use it. It pays for the service with no big capital outlay. A ski check is the best ways I know to deal with the issue. The locking ski racks are also and option, but I usually see them filled with unlocked skis. My only theft was a Forum snowboard taken from my daughter. It was propped against the lodge, and someone just helped themself.
post #68 of 89
Thieves are quite brazen, an example...

In 1982 I stepped out of my bindings at the end of a day at the bottom of a slope waiting for my ski partner to catch up (we were finishing for the day). I was standing within 5' of my skis when a person tried to pick them up and walk off with them. I confronted them once I was aware of what was happening and he dropped the skis and ran. He wasn't even wearing a pair of ski boots and yelled something like "sorry, I thought they were mine" as he left the scene.

Another time (and this is the only time I've had anything stolen) was in about 1985... I was staying at a friends apartment on-snow in Victoria and I needed to use the bathroom. I was near the apartment so I simply skied up, walked down the covered walkway, leant my skis against the wall outside the door and went in. The toilet was just inside the front door and after my "number one's", I returned outside - they were gone! They must have been out of sight for less than 2 minutes, the walkway to the front door was gravel and I heard nothing at all. Luckily, they were my decrepit rock skis and it wasn't too great a loss, just annoying.

Since then, I have always locked my skis or left them in plain sight.
post #69 of 89
At Stowe one lunchtime about 15 years ago, my old cable combo lock froze up - rust, not water - while locked with my skis to a rack near the base lodge. Couldn't budge it. I walked into the repair shop, told them why I needed a cable cutter, & they happily handed me one. Went outside, cut the cable in full sight of God & everybody else, grabbed my skis, returned the cutter, & skied away. Maybe ski thieves have honest faces.
post #70 of 89
I had a new pair of 6* stolen last year so have some recent experience. The other thing with homeowners and credit card protection insurance policies is they will not reimburse (deductible or not) if there is a supervised ski check on the mountain.
post #71 of 89
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Originally Posted by evansilver
At Stowe one lunchtime about 15 years ago, my old cable combo lock froze up - rust, not water - while locked with my skis to a rack near the base lodge. Couldn't budge it. I walked into the repair shop, told them why I needed a cable cutter, & they happily handed me one. Went outside, cut the cable in full sight of God & everybody else, grabbed my skis, returned the cutter, & skied away. Maybe ski thieves have honest faces.
That is just too funny..AND I can see it happening!
post #72 of 89
I'm sure that no matter where you ski, there are less than honest people out there. When I was much younger, I used to either lock my skis, or seperate them, when taking a break. I used to hate those tiny metal loops that were drilled onto my stratos! Now, I rarely take breaks, as I would rather ski from 9:00-2:00, and then call it a day. I have placed a sticker or two on my skis, so that if anyone steals them, they are easily recognizable. If I have to pee, or whatever, I just lay them down and trust my karma.
post #73 of 89
What about their 'Karma'?
post #74 of 89
Ski key is the way to go, all the resorts in Alberta/BC seem to have them, small and would be a pretty big pain in the ass to break from what I've seen. Also avoid eating at base/parking lot lodges if possible.
post #75 of 89
thank you for the reminder...I just purchased a cheap Brothers label maker which, when combined with their TZ-S series of industrial quality label tapes, makes a fine way to ID your (MY) equipment. I just put a small half inch label on the tails of my skis with name, phone # and drivers lic. number.
FWIW
post #76 of 89
To bad we can't remotely electrically charge our skis with a decent amount of voltage ! Then, when you come out a couple minutes later from your whizz break and your skis are gone, you simply start hitting the button on your key fob, climb to high ground, and start looking for the person shaking on the ground That would be to much fun though, i would be baiting people, lol! Keep putting my skis right by the parking lot./ I could easily spend a day shocking thieves and laughing my head off.
post #77 of 89
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Originally Posted by huckingfellers
To bad we can't remotely electrically charge our skis with a decent amount of voltage ! Then, when you come out a couple minutes later from your whizz break and your skis are gone, you simply start hitting the button on your key fob, climb to high ground, and start looking for the person shaking on the ground That would be to much fun though, i would be baiting people, lol! Keep putting my skis right by the parking lot./ I could easily spend a day shocking thieves and laughing my head off.
Oh, I like that idea! I'll bring the beer...
post #78 of 89
http://us.kensington.com/html/6311.html
I was a at Stowe last year, and some idiot came and tried to cut the cable on my lock! little did he know that my lock will begin to strobe and let out 200 dB of piercing sound if it is hit, smashed or cut. I approached him, he tried to shove me, but i keep a small butterfl knife on hand for cutting stuff, he ran, and a cop caught gim. i laughed so hard that night! now he probably snowboards
post #79 of 89
i made a 4x4 metal plate with the computer lock slot drilled into it, and thats how the cable stays put. if you want me to make one i could, just pm me and ill make it in a mill. provide $5 for the aluminum.
post #80 of 89
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Originally Posted by evansilver
At Stowe one lunchtime about 15 years ago, my old cable combo lock froze up - rust, not water - while locked with my skis to a rack near the base lodge. Couldn't budge it. I walked into the repair shop, told them why I needed a cable cutter, & they happily handed me one. Went outside, cut the cable in full sight of God & everybody else, grabbed my skis, returned the cutter, & skied away. Maybe ski thieves have honest faces.
About a year ago I locked my keys inside my truck, on a military base. Fortunately, I'd done this a few times before, and I had learned -- I had a slim jim taped between the bed and liner. I deftly remove the jim, slide it down the doorframe, and start wiggling my lock trying to open it.

As I do this, a military police car pulls up beside me and parks. I think, "I'm busted!" and try to think how I'm going to explain this one. The officer looks at me, says "Have a nice day," and walks into the building.



So much for alert police.
post #81 of 89

Catch more thieves ?

Perhaps an enterprising soul could develop a website where victims of ski theft could register serial numbers? This is how I'd figure it...

Ski owners log in and create an account. They register the serial numbers of all their skis. Should they have skis stolen, they would also mark those as stolen.

Ski buyers would log into the website and enter the serial number of skis they either bought or are considering buying. They would also enter their e-mail address. One of three situations would then occur:

(a) The serial number is not on record. The user is notified, and encouraged to register that number if they purchased the skis.
(b) The serial number is on record, but not marked as stolen. This information is e-mailed to the buyer, and the registered owner of the ski. The owner is given the e-mail address of the buyer, and encouraged to either report the ski as stolen and contact the buyer, or drop it from the database.
(c) The ski is marked as stolen. The buyer is notified that the ski is hot, and the owner is given the address of the buyer in order to recover his skis and track down the thief or fence trying to sell it.

Why not tell the user immediately whether a ski is in category (b) or (c)? In order to force them to use a real e-mail address, which would allow the "real" owner of the ski to track down his stolen skis....

If enough people used such as system, you could effectively track down a larger number of the e-bay and cl sellers, and make it more difficult to fence stolen skis. It seems like it's worth a shot. Revenue would have to come from advertising... I think legitimate ski sellers would like to advertise on a site like that.
post #82 of 89
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Originally Posted by huckingfellers
To bad we can't remotely electrically charge our skis with a decent amount of voltage ! Then, when you come out a couple minutes later from your whizz break and your skis are gone, you simply start hitting the button on your key fob, climb to high ground, and start looking for the person shaking on the ground That would be to much fun though, i would be baiting people, lol! Keep putting my skis right by the parking lot./ I could easily spend a day shocking thieves and laughing my head off.
That is hilarious!
post #83 of 89

Good advice

I like the advice somebody above mentioned about how the average ski season for people might be 7 times and that for a mere 2 bucks a pop you would have insurance for 14 dollars for that year. Good common sense!

Also, I like the peace of mind that giving my skis to the valet brings. I don't want to worry. When I was a kid, I had my brand new bike stolen so even to this day when I lock up my bike I have a little anxiety that it won't be there when I come back. With skiing I don't want to have that type of worry. 2 bucks for the valet is peace of mind.

I'd rather worry about other things, like trees, etc. ahah
post #84 of 89

Valet

Does anyone know if Killington has a ski check? And, if so how much?

I'm a little nervous about my new Top Fules, the ones I haven't picked up yet due to cost. Most thieves would not likely know what a Top Fule is. So they would not be a ski that needs to be worried about.

Killington - the whole place looks like a den of thieves to me, Corporation included!
post #85 of 89
[quote=freeskinow
I'm a little nervous about my new Top Fules, the ones I haven't picked up yet due to cost. Most thieves would not likely know what a Top Fule is. So they would not be a ski that needs to be worried about.

Don't bet on that!!!
post #86 of 89
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Originally Posted by freeskinow
Does anyone know if Killington has a ski check? And, if so how much?

I'm a little nervous about my new Top Fules, the ones I haven't picked up yet due to cost. Most thieves would not likely know what a Top Fule is. So they would not be a ski that needs to be worried about.

Killington - the whole place looks like a den of thieves to me, Corporation included!
Get yourself a cable lock, the markers on those Top Fuels make them very easy to lock. The top fuel is one of the most popular skis this year, don't kid yourself.
post #87 of 89
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
Get yourself a cable lock, the markers on those Top Fuels make them very easy to lock. The top fuel is one of the most popular skis this year, don't kid yourself.
Ditto. Most popular sizes of the Top Fuel are already sold out. My local shop said that Nordica does not have any more stock in the 170 size and if you can't find one available now(in 170) you aren't going to get one this year. The owner said the Top Fuel in 170 is currently the hottest ski on the market.
post #88 of 89
Seven or eight years ago I had a friend fly in for a weekend of skiing, I loaned her a near new pair of Volkl P20SL's and I was on my P20GS's, I had identical bindings on both. As I typically ski alone and as such do not break for lunch I never cared about a lock. We went in for lunch and I thought I would be clever and "split" the skis, i.e. one SL with a GS. As the graphics were different I was not concerned about a pair of mismatched skis being stolen...how foolish I was. After a somewhat liquidy lunch at Christine's we staggered out and I scanned the seemingly thousands of pairs of skis on top of Blackcomb, after an hour or so I finally concluded a mismatched pair of skis had been stolen...I then came to the realization that I would have to purchase two new pairs to replace the mismatched pair stolen.

There is a happy ending to this saga, I found the mismatched pair thrown in the snow while downloading! Needless to say I invested $20.00 in locks.
post #89 of 89
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Originally Posted by MattL
Or better yet whip out your digital camera and take their picture...papparazzi style!
Great idea and then post their picture here on this WEB site with a disclaimer inocent until proven guilty.

BTW You can also use your cell phone to take a picture. Make like your talking on the phone and take their picture. Wait a minute and then confront them to get your skis by YELLING out "HEY THAT GUY IS STEALING MY SKIS or SNOWBOARD" . When he drops your stuff and runs away hold up the camera and cell phone and yell to him I got your picture and it will be on the internet by tomorrow.

Ski areas should have a post it board with pictures of people wanted for questioning taking the wrong skis or snowboards.

There are a few ski areas that I know of where Police put bait out and actually sit and watch all day for someone to take the skis or snowboard. The punishment is grand theft. Also many ski areas have cameras now recording the rack areas
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