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To get a twintip or not to get a twintip....

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Ok, so I race- I have the Atomic 9.16's right now. Love speed. Have done a lot out west. Love powder and steeps. I'm comftorable on a 45 degree pitch. I'm not comftorable in the air. I think being more comfy in the air would hel;p my skiing...and yes..be fun. I'm 17- so my knees aren't a problem [img]smile.gif[/img] jk. Anyway, I want (will) learn to do a 360 this year of some table tops. Maybe not impressive to some people, but for me it is. So the question is, should I invest in some used twintips? The 1080's? I heard that I could use them as a powder (I ski the east) ski as well? WOuld jumping be easier with a Salomon 1080 or 720 than it would be with a Slalom race ski? Thanks!
post #2 of 11
I hate to say it but jumping at first is more of the skier and less of the ski. My buddy learned to do 360's on 205 GS skis. But if you want to learn switch landings and takeoffs then the 1080's would work well they are a light foam core ski. Tho they are not too good at speed, for more of an all mtn twin try the K2 enemy, wood core, decent dimensions.
As you learn different tricks you will start to notice a big difference in equipment, just like most any other aspect of skiing, get the basics down then progress.
post #3 of 11
The right skis can make a huge difference in the air. Last season, I was giving a heli clinic, and traded my Enemys for a pair of Volkl P30 RCS, so my friend could try them ( he has the same sole length boot, and uses the same din). He had not gotten one around yet, but the first try with the Enemys, he nailed it. The P30's felt really heavy in comparison. The narrow waist, lifted binding and big sidecut also did not feel as solid setting up for spins. I really had to concentrate more to spin cleanly on them. In the pipe, it makes an even bigger difference. Get some twins, most of them are great all mountain skis, and they will really boost your confidence in the park. I would also suggest a binding with no lift at all, it makes it much easier to skid those 270s around.
post #4 of 11
I guess the confidence boost from your equipment is a plus but I still think that the mental part of comitting to the spin, flip, etc. is a very big part of it. If you don't commit to it, it won't matter what's on your feet you are not going to make it, but lighter equipment will spin easier.
post #5 of 11
If you ever think that you will be jumping and landing backwards, then the twintip I think is an obvious decision. I beleive that's why they were invented.
post #6 of 11
Sure it makes a difference, but you do not need twintips just to learn how to do 360s, etc.

Come on guys, I can't believe anyone is implying that he should buy new freaking skis just to learn how to jump!

It'll be easier, but are 360s so hard that you should buy new skis just to learn them? Hell no. Buy twintips when you're ready to start working on switch 540s, etc. and you need them. You could buy skiboards and learn 720s your first day out, but that doesn't mean it is worth the money...

Seems like everyone under the age of 20 feels that they need to have twintips on to even go in the terrain park. Trust me, 80% of the kids I see in the terrain park are not doing anything that requires twintips. They just have them because they are "cool."

Rant over. I mean what I write, although my tone is cranky. Sorry.
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the help. IN the end I think I'm going w/ whay Spyder and Phunk said. If I can't do a 360 on my SL race skis I sure can't do a 720 on twintips. After I can do 360's well, and if I like it enough, then I'll think about twintips. thx again
post #8 of 11
If all you have are race skis, maybe you should get fat or midfat twin. The whole Rossi Bandit line is twin tipped, as are the Volkl G4, and G3. These skis are super versatile, and th G4, XXX, and Ak Enemy will will absolutely destroy race skis for off piste big mountain maching. A lifted, very shaped race ski works about as well for the pipe and park, as most twins do in the race course.
post #9 of 11
It is good to see that more people are getting into the freestyle movement. It adds a new chapter to skiing. As for twins I would highly reccomend them. Race skis are great but I personally would not use them in the park to much as htey have a lot of metal in them and bend easily on a hard fall. I have already bent a pair of p40's on a table after having them about a month and was not very happy with my self. If you can afford another pair of skis I would highlt reccomend a pair of park skis. I have been riding 1080's for three years now and love them. They are great in them park and are a very good all mountain ski. My only drawback with them is icy conditions and deep powder. If you want to find a cheap pair look into line's. They are great jib skis and I know you can get them cheap. Look at their website and they might still be selling last years skis for $150.
post #10 of 11
> Come on guys, I can't believe anyone is
> implying that he should buy new freaking
> skis just to learn how to jump!

If you want to hear something even more absurd, there are 3 areas in southern PA (Whitetail, Liberty & Roundtop) that REQUIRES skiers to be on twin tips just to enter the park (even if you are only in there to spot landings for your kid).

Tom / PM

PS - JohnH, if you are around, you should take note!
post #11 of 11
Do listen to Pman a bit too, don't take the race skis into the pipe or steep kickers, I bent a pr of Merlin VI's this way.
For 360's find a jump that gets you up about 2' or so with a soft landing and as you come to the top wind up and as you come off crank your arms and turn your head in the direction of the spin, most commonly to the left. KEEP your head turned, spot the landing and straighten out. as you get more comfortable you will feel out how you can spin with less effort, now the only time I wind up is when I am trying a 720 (still haven't nailed that one consistently)
The higher the jump the more time in the air the easier it will be to complete the rotation, but COMMIT to it.
Good Luck.
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