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Gotama - Right For Me?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I'm new to skiing big-mountain and powder, but I'm not new to skiing at all. I've been skiing about 17 years, and am a certified instructor (not that a CSIA Level 1 means that I'm an expert by any stretch). I am spending the year in Canmore, Alberta, skiing at Sunshine Village.

Having never skiied in the west, I came out here equipped with my carving skis ('03-'04 Head I.C. 200 164). Since we've had a lot of snow already this year, these skis quickly became inadequate, as they are around 60mm under-foot.

Yesterday, I purchased a pair of Volkl AC4s. I have never had a better day of skiing in my life, than today, on these skis. Though they're a fantastic all around ski, they're not exactly top performers (I did still have a ton of fun on them) in the deep stuff (even mid-shin).

So, I want to get a powder ski, for deeper days, and for riding back-country. I've been looking at the Gotama, since a stiff ski like Volkl is usually great, since I am fairly heavy (though short). I read that they love to ski super fast, but I am not an extremely fast skier (moderate). I figured my weight would offset that need to ski so quickly. What do you guys think? I was looking at the 176s, so that I could move them around in the trees a little (they're pretty tight in some places here).

Height: 5'6"
Weight: 235lbs
Skiing: 17yrs
Days I will ski this season: at least 100

If not these, which?

Thanks!
James
post #2 of 17
I would say go for the 183, remember that they have a huge twin that takes away alot of effective length. I don't think you'd have any trouble making tight turns on the 183 at your weight and you could use that extra float.
post #3 of 17
I would support your choice of the 176. Since you do not have a huge appetite for speed, I think that the added munueverability of the shorter ski would offset any minor sacrifice in stability.

SJ
post #4 of 17
Come on guys. This man is an experienced skier who wants to ski bottomless Rocky mountain pow - laps on Delirium Dive etc. The twin tip means that the 176 gotama skis like a 170.

James - you're a heavy weight, THe gotama is a big ski but its made for guys like you. Go bigger rather then smaller.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=40036 - this guy mntlion who posts on this thread lives in Banff and seems to have a lot of fat skis to sell - you should get hold of him.
post #5 of 17
If three is a charm, I agree that you need the 183. If you get a chance, try the Volkl Mantra in a 184. Mantra will be better than Gotama as the snow starts to get cut up and packed, and will still be great in the pow. As a powder specific ski, the Gotama is the way to go.
post #6 of 17
Gotama AC4 would be a great 2 ski quiver. I have a blast on the 183 Gots in the trees, maybe in real tight trees the 176 would be better, but for your weight the 183 should be better everywhere else. This years Got is supposed to have a second FS mounting point in front of the standard FR mount. So if you wanted it turnier you could mount it a little more forward, although to me it seems turny enough on the standard mount. It also seems to come around a little quicker and easier the deeper the snow. I actually mounted mine a little back for stability and am looking to get the 190 this year. If you have a chance to demo you could play around with the mount and see if you like it forward.
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by SierraJim
I would support your choice of the 176. Since you do not have a huge appetite for speed, I think that the added munueverability of the shorter ski would offset any minor sacrifice in stability.

SJ
i think this is accurate, though i think the length of your AC4 will play into the correct gotama length.

the 183 gotama is turny. it turns easy. i don't think you'd have a problem with either, but if you're really buying the gotama for deep days and more open terrain, then get the 183 and have your AC4 for those tight tree times.
post #8 of 17
IMO:

Most of the factors that you describe indicate the shorter size.
  • Eastern Skier
  • New to deep snow
  • Unaccustomed to fat skis (assumption)
  • Not a huge appetite for speed
  • Tight trees (true I've been there)
  • Ability = pretty good but probably not super hard charger
  • Fitness & Agility ???
Only one factor indicates the bigger size (weight)

In general, I'd say that the shorter ski would simply make your introduction to big mountain skiing easier. There may be some shortfall during rare epic (pun) dumps, but I believe that overall you will learn faster on the shorter size.

YMMV.........................SJ
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by James Golick
I've been looking at the Gotama, since a stiff ski like Volkl is usually great, since I am fairly heavy (though short).

Just an FYI, I guess - Gotamas are not particularly stiff like say an Explosive. But you don't need a really stiff ski for powder anyway.


I do think Gotamas would work great for you as a powder ski - and you'd probably be fine with either length. You could likely handle 183's at your size, but if you want the shorter ones for tight stuff, they'll probably be just fine too.

Have fun!
post #10 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim
In general, I'd say that the shorter ski would simply make your introduction to big mountain skiing easier. There may be some shortfall during rare epic (pun) dumps, but I believe that overall you will learn faster on the shorter size.

YMMV.........................SJ
...yes in this case.
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hmm, thanks for all the replys, everyone.

I'm still on the fence about this. I have been picking up on the powder skiing pretty quickly, and since I'm skiing at least a few times every week, I don't think that progress will slow down much.

That makes me think that the 183 might be a better idea.

On the other hand, when I go back east, I'd like to be able to ride these skis at Jay Peak, and other VT spots.

I don't know.

Probably I will get the 176s.

For the time being, I'll enjoy my AC4s. I really love those skis.

Again, thanks for the responses.
James
post #12 of 17
Get the 183's I know many who ski the woods back east with the 183's. If you get the 176, you will think it to be too short.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag
I would say go for the 183, remember that they have a huge twin that takes away alot of effective length. I don't think you'd have any trouble making tight turns on the 183 at your weight and you could use that extra float.
Atleast. Maybe even 190. I would think that you might want to consider the Sanouks.
If you need short, take a look at the Sumo.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Canyons
Atleast. Maybe even 190. I would think that you might want to consider the Sanouks.
If you need short, take a look at the Sumo.
no 190. it's a huge ski. it will be no fun back east where not only are the trees tighter and the bumps deeper, but the trails narrower. a 190 fat ski is no fun back east. i used to ski xxx's back there. it was all but a deathwish everywhere except jay - and only jay on a deep day.

as for sanouks, if the 190 is too big for back east, the sanouk will be no fun.

for utah, yeah, this quote is right on track.
post #15 of 17
What length are the AC4's? You'll probably use those in the east a lot more than the Gots.

If you're going to be skiing a bunch in Banff, I wouldn't compromise because you want to take your skis back east with you. Get the 183. Then when you come back, you can see how you like them. If they're too long, you can sell 'em or trade 'em for something shorter or better for the east (like the mantra).

What were you using at Jay before?
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
183s it is.

I am going to pick these up today or tomorrow.

I will post my thoughts once we get some snow

James
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by James Golick
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 235lbs
Skiing: 17yrs
Umm, as a 175 lb. skier who rides 183 Got's, I gotta say that your weight is gonna really change the way this ski feels.

My two bits...but I think you need something stiffer.
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