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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Hi, am new to this board, looking to upgrade my tnines to a solid all mountain ski and would like advice.
was thinking about the phat loves (last years, waist 90) but was told they sucked on hard pack/groomers anything that wasn't deep powder. so, thought about lotta loves (119/78/105) although they have some kind of metal laminate, not sure if they are really heavy?? Then was told about the new k2 twin tip for women called the missdemeanor, a park and pipe ski (I don't do either) but would be a good all mountain ski (113/80/104, soft ski)

wondering what impact the bigger side cut on the lotta loves would have? anyone skied, heard about any of these?
I'm about 5/6, 118 lbs, friends say "Advanced skier with no balls.....) not real aggressive (obviously!) but can get down/through most conditions.
main condition skied: FOG

skied on volant powerkarves which I liked but compared to k2s very slow and heavy, would not "ski the steel" again. also owned salomon xscreams, also liked but not near as much as the k2s
any advice appreciated!
post #2 of 28
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Originally Posted by montana mags
Hi, am new to this board, looking to upgrade my tnines to a solid all mountain ski and would like advice.
was thinking about the phat loves (last years, waist 90) but was told they sucked on hard pack/groomers anything that wasn't deep powder. so, thought about lotta loves (119/78/105) although they have some kind of metal laminate, not sure if they are really heavy?? Then was told about the new k2 twin tip for women called the missdemeanor, a park and pipe ski (I don't do either) but would be a good all mountain ski (113/80/104, soft ski)

wondering what impact the bigger side cut on the lotta loves would have? anyone skied, heard about any of these?
I'm about 5/6, 118 lbs, friends say "Advanced skier with no balls.....) not real aggressive (obviously!) but can get down/through most conditions.
main condition skied: FOG

skied on volant powerkarves which I liked but compared to k2s very slow and heavy, would not "ski the steel" again. also owned salomon xscreams, also liked but not near as much as the k2s
any advice appreciated!
Howdy Mags,

Welcome to epicski!

I won't recommend any Volants to you (though I'm told the V2s are much lighter than the full steel caps), but I'll comment on what I do know of the skis that you mentioned. If you want a soft ski, the Phat Luvs are definately that, and if you'll be skiing Big Mountain (just guessing since you mentioned fog ), having a wider ski would probably be desireable for all that lake effect snow they get up there.

I'm sure others will have more in depth imput though.
post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 

thanks

thanks volantaddict..actually I really did love those powerkarves, just found the k2s quicker...but those old volants were really great, through crud,held on bullet proof, rock hard slopes, so...nothing bad to say about volant.
a lot of folks love those fat loves
post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by montana mags
thanks volantaddict..actually I really did love those powerkarves, just found the k2s quicker...but those old volants were really great, through crud,held on bullet proof, rock hard slopes, so...nothing bad to say about volant.
a lot of folks love those fat loves
Hey anyone who doesn't have anything bad to say about Volants is ESPECIALLY welcome here as far as I'm concerned. I've heard all manner of complaints about them, often from people who've never skied them.
post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
Hey anyone who doesn't have anything bad to say about Volants is ESPECIALLY welcome here as far as I'm concerned. I've heard all manner of complaints about them, often from people who've never skied them.
My wife and mother in law are still on Volants and really like them. Both are on Vertex 68's.
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
often from people who've never skied them.
They have a funny sounding name; I could never use a ski that sounds like bad American car.
post #7 of 28
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Originally Posted by Colossus178
They have a funny sounding name; I could never use a ski that sounds like bad American car.
Well they DO somewhat resemble the Delorean.

Volant is french for flying, or having the ability to fly.
post #8 of 28

Elan Steel Magic

You may want to take a look at the Elan Steel Magic skis. I just bought a pair today after demoing them and loved them! They are a woman's specific all-mountain ski (125/75/109). I like a shorter ski so I bought the 160s. Even though they felt heavy when I picked them up, they were really lively, agile and responsive, and had a very smooth and stable ride. I like to ski fast and athletically, make a lot of quick turns, jump around in the bumps, etc., and they were perfect for my style. A really fun ski. The width should be good for whenever we get a little powder here in the Northeast. From what I heard in the ski shop, these skis are very popular and most people who have tried them had the same reaction I did.
post #9 of 28
Hi
Do you have the Tnine Spires? (Blue) I have them and they are quick. I looked for a wider ski this year and tried the Lotta Luvs. They are softer and easy to ski in soft snow. They turned easily. I have the Dynastar Exclusive Legends and they have been great. Today I skied scaped down snow and 4-5 inches of powder in them. Very floaty and light. Also a softer ski than the K2 spire but I am getting to like that.
post #10 of 28
Being a Fog Mountain skier, but larger than you, I'd push you toward the Lotta Luv's (I have the Recons). That being said, there are demo days coming up and there is no substitute for walking down that row of tents trying things out for free. I know Chris's demo day is 12/17. Haven't found out when the mountain and Sportsman and Ski Haus is having theirs yet. I see they are calling the one on 12/17 "valley demo days", so maybe they are all doing it the same day.
post #11 of 28
Thread Starter 

thanks on chick ski info

thanks so much, feel like an idiot, know exactly nothing about elans but they sound like a lot of fun and it sounds like one of the ski places near here has them, they look real shaped; may take me a while to get it together on them but they really look fun. that is quite a sidecut!i think the reflexes are real close to the spires...mine are quick, fun, just old (like me!). I was gathering that you liked the dynastars better than the lotta loves? yep, a Fog mountain skier and i will probably do the demo thing as you're right, no substitute! Bought my t9s that way, just demo'd them, then bought them. Just got a screamin' deal on phat loves, soooooo got thinking about maybe just buying them. guess I gotta broaden my horizons...thanks again!
post #12 of 28
Thread Starter 

and...

if this posts twice again i will just scream! was trying to finish my earlier post and sent it too soon!

sibhusky, just curious about your impressions of those lotta loves. have heard all sorts of things (only good for backcountry...too hard to manage with that metal laminate....perfect skis, not too wide...) and would love to hear an opinion from someone who has skied them!

thanks again!
post #13 of 28

.......

montana mags,
How about an Elan M666(flat). I don't know how the 76mm waist sits with your terrain/conditions, but it's a fun ski if you're not a heavyweight... Edgegrip with float, yet it's not a heavy/dense, rental to swing around.
post #14 of 28
I haven't skied the Lotta Luv's only the Phat Luv's. I've got the XP's and the Recon's, which have a similar sidecut to the Lotta Luv's. I liked the Phat Luv's, but thought that for a one ski quiver, they would be too wide for everyday. The Lotta Luv's weren't being offered as demos the last time I demo'd. I just think that if you are only getting one ski, you should go with a midfat. The Elan M666 mentioned above I demo'd quickly last season. It was bump run with the Ladies Day group I was with and totally the wrong ski for me. I handed them back after the one run to return to my beloved XP's.

Two of the other ladies in the group tried the Recon's and some kind of Metron (a 9? Not sure). One liked the Metron, one liked the Recons, and bought accordingly. I'll try and find out which Metron it was.
post #15 of 28
My wife and I are level 9 skiers and ski about 40 days yearly in Vail.

She owns the PhatLuv and the Burnin'Luv but has her eye on the Lotta Luv.

The PhatLuv really is a dedicated powder ski. It's too heavy & clumsy on-piste or in the bumps. The Burnin' Luv is a great front side piste ski and serviceable in the back provided the snow isn't too deep or heavy.

I ski the Recon which is the male version of the LottaLuv and really dig it. It's good just about everywhere. I use it on everything from hardpack to 6" of pow. Anymore than that and I break out the Chief (male version of PhatLuv).
Recon/LottaLuv are not heavy if used with a light binding.
post #16 of 28
If I had a one ski quiver it would be the Phat Luv. Obviously this depends on where you ski but I'd imagine your conditions in Montana can't be that different than Alta. It's too skinny to be a true powder ski, and not great on ice, but it's really good at everything in between.
post #17 of 28
really good female skiers should just go with guys skis (unisex skis) cause they will give u higher performence
post #18 of 28
...and stiffness
post #19 of 28
That's a pretty out of date statement.

Some of the new women's skis (like the Phat Luv) are great. I switched from a 178 G4 as my primary ski to the Phat Luv and they're a blast. I'm not a short/petite woman either and I ski about 100 days a year at Alta. I'm not saying I'm fantastic, but I can handle pretty burly mens skis just fine. These are still very fun to ski and worth it for women to try.
post #20 of 28
idk but u wouldnt agree that womens ski for the most part dont provide the same performence...though k2/nordica/volkl...etc. do have nice lines
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by Sandman
idk but u wouldnt agree that womens ski for the most part dont provide the same performence...though k2/nordica/volkl...etc. do have nice lines
For the most part yes. There are a lot of women's skis I wouldn't waste my time with. But there are specific high end womens skis that offer just as much or more performance than some mens skis.

For example, the Phat Luv is the same dimensions as a Pocket Rocket, but it's a little stiffer and I personally think it handles and skis better. Just saying "all mens skis are better than all womens skis" is silly.
post #22 of 28
i agree with u and i am happy to see that the womens ski industry is growing. I thinks that if more women ski womens skis i bet the demand for them will increase and manufactors will offer a bigger variety of skis. Female skiers r cool and i think its a great thing for everybody to get into skiing. U urself sound like a quite good skier!!!
post #23 of 28
I agree with Altagirl on this one.

At least as far as K2 is concerned, there is little difference beyond cosmetics between:

Chief / PhatLuv
Recon / LottaLuv
Crossfire / Burnin' Luv

I think K2 recommends binding mounting a bit more aft on the women's version due to differences in center of gravity but construction is virtually identical.
post #24 of 28

Best Women's ski ever skied on!

For all it's worth I'd try the Fischer Women's Vision, it's waist varies from a 68-76. I skied this in SnowBird in late April & thought it totally rocked for a women's ski. I ski around 55+ days a year all over Colorado, mostly @ Winter Park/Mary Jane. I felt that w/the sheet of titanium it was a very gutsy women's ski that floated in the pow & held an edge on hard pack. It comes w/Fischer's binding that you can remove for travel to make room in your ski bag for 2 pairs for traveling. The price isn't bad either, especially if you pro form.
post #25 of 28
I skied the Lotta Luvs at Loveland in a mixture
of groomed, crud and some new snow. They were
great. They went through everything and turned
easily. I have last year's Phat Luvs which I like
in the powder. I plan to demo the Lottas and
see how they do on the groomers.

I am 5'8, athletically built and skied the Lottas in a 160.
post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 

great info and thanks!

this may post twice...my cat walked over the keyboard, have probably sent mystery messages to thousands of unsuspecting strangers...

thanks for all the info, never considered elans or fischers so that will be an adventure, good to broaden my horizons, and very glad to hear about the phat loves and lotta loves, will get out and demo!

havent' hit the snow yet, have to take care of other biz (selling my condo in steamboat, which I just hate to do, anyone want to rent it for a season??? )

really helpful advice here, as I mentioned, consider myself a solid but not aggressive skier. 8 seasons on the snow as an adult (the last five with 50+ days, as a grad student, unknown to my advisor.... ) and 8 as a kid/teenager. definitely the short, controlled turn kind of skier.

thanks again, can't wait to demo, never thought I'd lke the women's specific skis, didn't like the volant vertex or the lady bandit but really like my t9s, short (153s!!) but fun and responsive. so now am much more interested in the lady skis. particularly a good all mountain ski

anyway, thanks, maybe i will win the lottery and get several pairs.....
post #27 of 28
(I didn't like lady bandits either FWIW)

Have fun demoing!
post #28 of 28
COOl...happy skiing 2 all
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