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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I'm looking for advice re: optimal skins for shaped skis. My skis are 178 cm long, with moderate sidecut 116-79-102.

What's better:

75 cm wide skins, parallel sides, running the length of the ski.

or

110 cm wide skins, cut to shape of ski to maximize surface area.

Any advice very much appreciated

Cheers
post #2 of 24
Nothing beats wall to wall carpeting. I think a 75 mm skin on that ski would leave way too much bottom showing for good traction. It really becomes a problem if you are following a track set by someone with narrower skis, which leaves just the edges of yours in solid contact with the snow, and that's the part where you have no skin. Same problem traversing on hard snow.

Even if neither of those situations ever arise, if you plan on doing any climbing that is at all steep, you will definitely be slipping with justs 75s on those skis.
post #3 of 24
What mudfoot said +1...

The main benefit of going with the straight cut 75mm width is that your glide will have less friction. That works out well for touring applications.
post #4 of 24
Go with 90 or 100. The 110 is overkill since the widest part of your ski is above the snow. You also want to have about 3 mm of edge showing on each side.
post #5 of 24
I would also recommend Ascention or G3 skins, stay away from BCA.
post #6 of 24
Has G3 come to terms with their glue-problem? If so, they are an alternative.
I'm not getting G3's again though, BD's, aka Ascention, just seem better all around, IMO.
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by Tele-Swede
Has G3 come to terms with their glue-problem? If so, they are an alternative.
I'm not getting G3's again though, BD's, aka Ascention, just seem better all around, IMO.
I too own Ascentions. A friend of mine has last years G3's and has no issues, They seem as good as the Ascention, however I do prefer the clip fix...but that is just preference. Another friend has got BCA skins and has issues with the glue, they break loose and that's it, a bit of snow gets on em and no sticky to ski no more.
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by Tele-Swede
Has G3 come to terms with their glue-problem? If so, they are an alternative.
I'm not getting G3's again though, BD's, aka Ascention, just seem better all around, IMO.
i got a pair of these a season and a half ago and i give them two thumbs down. The ascensions aren't the sexiest and aren't lightest but they just plain work always.
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by spring corn
... The ascensions aren't the sexiest and aren't lightest but they just plain work always.
I couldn't agree more.

Oleh, keep in mind that when you're using skins, you want them to work. If they don't stick to the ski and grip on the snow reliably, you're going to be one frustrated puppy every time you use them.

If it were me, I'd go Ascension Clip-Fix, wall to wall, and forget about anything else (unless I had some highly specialized use like gram-saving for rando racing or such).
post #10 of 24
I'd go with 110s too. Wider skins=better grip.

And I have clip-fix ascensions too. Never had a problem, aside from one clip occasionally coming loose on my Hippy Stinx - the tails have rivets and are very round twintips. But if I put a layer of electrical tape over the clip they stay put no problem. On skis with a more normal tail it's not an issue.
post #11 of 24
I'll chime and say go wide too! I've skied with enough people that had skinny skins to never make that mistake myself.

I've also settled in on the Ascensions with the clip-fix tail piece. They work, no question about that.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters
I couldn't agree more.

Oleh, keep in mind that when you're using skins, you want them to work. If they don't stick to the ski and grip on the snow reliably, you're going to be one frustrated puppy every time you use them.

If it were me, I'd go Ascension Clip-Fix, wall to wall, and forget about anything else (unless I had some highly specialized use like gram-saving for rando racing or such).
Put me down as another vote for Ascension Clip-Fix skins. If you do decide to go this route, you may want to check out Black Diamond's online skin section (http://www.bdel.com/gear/skins_overview.php) then navigate to Ascension ClipFix for detailed guidelines on skin-width selection and a link to a useful video that will introduce you to the joys of wall-to-wall skin trimming.

If you go with Clip-Fix skins and they don't automatically come with a trimming tool and a glue-saving Cheat Sheet, you can buy these nice little accessories separately.
post #13 of 24
I bought the Glide-Lite skins last year (blue cow print) with STS tail system. The skins came with a trim tool, instrucitons, carrying bag, cheat sheets, and the store threw in a bar of glop stopper wax. Black Diamond bought Glide-lite for the glue system and STS tail system patents and made that standard on their Ascension line. In other words BD bought their superior competitor so they could own the technology.

Glite Lites are slightly lighter in weight than standard BD Ascension skins, and are usually at a competitive price point. Glide lite remains relatively unchanged except for the print pattern, and was a very advanced design that has been incorporated into the BD line. I recommend the wall to wall covering leaving just the edge exposed, and the STS tail system seems to be the easiest attachment.
post #14 of 24
I'm using 110 mm ascensions on my Nordica Beasts 124-92-117 and they cover just about everything, except for the widest part which is above the snow. With 110 and those medium width skis, you'll be throwing a lot of material away, although if you got a really good price on the 110s, who cares?
I did the rat tail connection on mine. It is a bomber-proof.
post #15 of 24
Go wide, and cut to match the exact side cut of the ski, any base showing will just make it that much more difficult to et traction when climbing a steep pitch.

The G3's are worth the money. I have owned most brands of skins over the past few years, but the G#'s have been by far the best. FWIW the elastic at the back clip style is 1000X better than the old tandard of elastic at the front.
post #16 of 24
I'm real happy with G3's and the tail clip. They come with a nice trim tool too. Shaped with a bit of edge showing is the way to go.

I've found you can make great custom tip loops from wire and a piece of broken fishing rod.

I also use a really narrow one inch gliding skin for some tours. They make a huge difference in speed and comfort on the flats.
post #17 of 24
FYI - Backcountry.com has still has last years Clip Fix skins (purple) for under $100. I bought the 120mm and they were $97 with free shipping...great deal.
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by Gnarlito

If you go with Clip-Fix skins and they don't automatically come with a trimming tool and a glue-saving Cheat Sheet, you can buy these nice little accessories separately.
Mine did??? But anyway I wouldn by the cutter if the didn't all you need is a razor blade or a utility knife. I don't use the sheet thing I just stick em to themselves in thirds when not in use. I've used my Ascention Hydrophobic's now, this is the 4th season with no issues, I have not even touched up the glue yet.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by jay_p
FYI - Backcountry.com has still has last years Clip Fix skins (purple) for under $100. I bought the 120mm and they were $97 with free shipping...great deal.

WHERE? I can't find them?
post #20 of 24
I guess most people know that they call them skins because they were once made fron seal skins. I have my father's skins from 1945----army green cotton webbing with beautiful brown spotted seal skins sewn on, full length with some side straps. I've used them and they work pretty well, but the seals need not fear for their pelts when compared to a modern one.
post #21 of 24
Actually they are at their outlet store, here's the link to the skins:

http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/out...Fix-Skins.html
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by jay_p
Actually they are at their outlet store, here's the link to the skins:

http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/out...Fix-Skins.html
Thats a great deal if your in the US. I almost bought a set of 120mm but the shipping to Canada is $30 and then they will probably hook me for duty and GST at customs. So they dont work out any cheaper than buying them here. In the US the shipping is free.....I gotta apply for a P.O. box down there one day.
post #23 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by jay_p
Actually they are at their outlet store, here's the link to the skins:

http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/out...Fix-Skins.html
thanks
post #24 of 24

I recently saw these on a backcountry site. I am gonna be in the market for some new skins here real soon and my buddy just bought a pair of these. I think they seem like an awesome way to go, I'll see what he says too but I could be picking a pair of them up. They are called Clip Skins.

 

http://www.skiersrealm.com/general/clip-skins

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